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Traditional Firearms => Caplock Pistols => Topic started by: Jamesk58 on May 09, 2015, 08:07:17 PM

Title: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 09, 2015, 08:07:17 PM
Found this large caliber pistol and it also has a large nipple.  11#'s won't work and a standard nipple wrench is too shallow and narrow.  You can see where someone used the wrong tool on the nipple and I haven't found anything that fits.

Any help would be great.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 09, 2015, 09:09:37 PM
I don't see a picture,... have you tried a musket nipple wrench?
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 10, 2015, 11:43:21 AM
Sorry, having a little trouble uploading pix but this is a close-up of the nipple..
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 10, 2015, 02:45:22 PM
Still no picture.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 10, 2015, 05:03:15 PM
OK, my post now shows 3 pictures as Attachments.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Riley/MN on May 10, 2015, 06:00:23 PM
I see the pictures - looks like a musket nipple I believe.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 10, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: "Jamesk58"
OK, my post now shows 3 pictures as Attachments.
OK,..... I see'em now.  :rt th

Nice looking pistol BTW.  :hairy
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 10, 2015, 07:01:09 PM
Quote from: "Riley/MN"
I see the pictures - looks like a musket nipple I believe.
I suspect that's what it is Riley,..... and I'm pretty sure, Track of The Wolf sells #11 nipples with musket threads.  :rt th
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 10, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
Thanks for the advice.  I was thinking of just changing out the nipple but I knew it wouldn't be so simple.
My motivation would be due to the difficulty in finding musket caps locally.
I was hoping a deep musket wrench would work however ordering one blind may be a waste.
Modifying a socket might be a good approach- got plenty of those lying around.

BTW- here's some more pix:
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 10, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
Below is a link to 3 pages of nipples Track of the Wolf has to offer.
   Nipples - Track of the Wolf  (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/807/1)
Once you have your old nipple out, you can probably match it's base-diameter and number of threads (per-inch) with something that will accept common #11 caps.  :rt th
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 10, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: "Jamesk58"
Thanks for the advice.  I was thinking of just changing out the nipple but I knew it wouldn't be so simple.
My motivation would be due to the difficulty in finding musket caps locally.
I was hoping a deep musket wrench would work however ordering one blind may be a waste.
Modifying a socket might be a good approach- got plenty of those lying around.

BTW- here's some more pix:
Any idea who made it, or where it was made?
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 09:21:59 AM
My understanding is this is a Belgian Percussion pistol made for the North African Trade around 1840-50.
This and several other flint pistols have been in my family for since the late 1800's.
Have pix of those if you are interested.  One is quite nice.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 11, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: "Jamesk58"
My understanding is this is a Belgian Percussion pistol made for the North African Trade around 1840-50.
This and several other flint pistols have been in my family for since the late 1800's.
Have pix of those if you are interested.  One is quite nice.
I'd be interested in seeing more pictures.  :hey-hey
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 05:59:29 PM
This one is a British Flintlock Tower Pistol circa 1800- somewhat common but in very good shape.  Has all the stamps.  
I have shot this one.
67 or 69 cal. I believe.  17mm barrel ID
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 06:07:35 PM
This one is my favorite and I'm getting close to taking it out to see how it works.
A nicely engraved Spanish Migulet Pistol with the name/date of F. Scarafon 1816.
Have never been able to find anything under that name.  Maybe he's the engraver?
It has a very tight cocking spring but everything seems to function well.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 06:11:57 PM
A few more of the Migulet
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 06:17:36 PM
This last one is a Turkish Flintlock Blunderbuss circa 1750.
This one in non-operable and isn't in shape stock-wise to repair for firing.
A nice wall hanger and the silver shows well.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 11, 2015, 06:21:10 PM
A few more Blunderbuss
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 11, 2015, 06:24:59 PM
Nice,... VERY, VERY nice!!!!!!!!!!  :shake  :applaud
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Roaddog on May 12, 2015, 06:37:00 AM
WOW!! They are realy somethin.Thanks for shairing with us. :rt th
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: snake eyes on May 12, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
:shake [/color]
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 12, 2015, 05:25:50 PM
Thank you.  Very glad you like them.
I'll post back on my nipple resolution and future shooting results.

James
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 12, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Well, I took some of your advice rollingb and just modified the existing nipple so it could take an 11.

Carefully used the diamond tipped grinders that come with Dremels/Wens and slowly removed metal around the nipple until an 11 just snugged on but its still too thick for a 10.

Fired the 11 and got a nice plume through the barrel.

Also cleaned up the base a little where it has the tool slip marks.

I looked down the barrel a bit and see orangey rust coating the length of the barrel and I've run patches through it recently.  Most of the corrosion seems to be in the combustion area.  Sprayed some more Hoppes lubricant down the barrel and then stood it on its barrel to drain back out.

Now I need to fit the right balls. ID is right about 18mm which converts to 0.708 cal.  Pretty Big!
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: rollingb on May 12, 2015, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: "Jamesk58"
Well, I took some of your advice rollingb and just modified the existing nipple so it could take an 11.

Carefully used the diamond tipped grinders that come with Dremels/Wens and slowly removed metal around the nipple until an 11 just snugged on but its still too thick for a 10.

Fired the 11 and got a nice plume through the barrel.

Also cleaned up the base a little where it has the tool slip marks.
Nice job,..... looks good!!!!!!!!!  :rt th  :shock:
   Balls & shot for muzzle loading guns - Track of the Wolf  (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/127/3)

..... and  Lee .690 round ball molds that won't break the bank for only $20.00   :rt th
   Lee .690" round ball mold, single cavity, with handles - Track of the Wolf  (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1202/1/LEE-690)
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 13, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
Yes I'm feeling pretty positive on the outcome.
Will work on the barrel rust some more.
Thanks for the links, I've purchased from TOTW before- good outfit and have just about everything.
Probably won't be able to shoot for a couple of weeks but will post any worthwhile results.
Title: Re: 1850 Percussion Pistol ID
Post by: Captchee on May 26, 2015, 10:52:50 AM
what you had was  what appeared to be the original nipple for that piece  .   It would have taken a square  cut nipple wrench . .
Nice collection .