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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: RobD on July 04, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
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A feller at ALR posted a Pedersoli Frontier rifle up for sale, .36 caliber, 39" barrel, DST, specifying it was a flintlock and the condition was excellent. No images. On a lark, I emailed him and showed him an image of the Frontier flintlock. He said, yep, that's it. I bought it sight unseen for $525 shipped.
Three dayze later a large wooden box arrives at my door - gosh darn, excellent packing! 22 screws removed and then the thick bubble wrapped peeled back, there she was, and what a beauty ... 'cept it was a caplock and not a flintlock. Yikes!!
Now I'm not at all a fan of caplocks, so this beauty had to go back. But she's so purty ... so I get to thinking, which as some of y'all know gets me in trouble all too sooner than later. I contact Pedersoli and ask about the Frontier and they confirmed my suspicions that this rifle was built as both flint and cap on the same design spex, so that a cap or flint lock was interchangeable with the ignition system's mortise. The bolster/snail thread size is also the same as the touch hole screw size, M8x1.25 ... hmmm, things are looking better about this gun.
Anyhoo, the seller was running ragged with personal issues and fully admitted to his mistake and rebated me $75 for my trouble. For sure I was gonna keep the gun and I did.
First thing is to see if the bolster can be removed (and while I'm at it, the breech, too). This can be an issue with some offshore guns, including Pedersoli. No problem for me and my 18" Reed Corp flat jawed wrench and my Rice Barrel Co. breech wrench, both came off easy peasy. The barrel is held on by three screws - the big and long breech tang bolt and (this is ingenious) each brass thimble is screwed into underlugs inserted into the barrel, thus pinning the barrel to the stock and the thimbles.
Pedersoli sells the replacement flint lock for $212, touch hole inserts are $5. However, L&R sells a "drop in" replacement lock for the Frontier rifle - the RPL-06F - for $175, and I think the L&R locks are probably gonna be better than the Pedersoli, so the RPL-06F is now on order along with a few touch hole liners. This oughta be a fun makeover ... I hope!
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Good for you Rob! Looks like you'll be up and shootn in no time.Nice lookn rifle. :toast
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I put an L&R RPL lock on my T-C Pennsylvania Hunter, and had to do a bunch of filing and fitting to get it lined up right with the touch hole. I made the mistake of taking off wood to fit the lock and then it didn't line up very well. Then I had to file on the lock plate, and ended up filling in the gaps I had caused with colored bedding compound. In the end it works, but isn't very pretty. from that experience I suggest that you make sure to position the lock so the pan lines up correctly with the touch hole liner, then file the lock plate edges to fit the mortise. But the L&R is a dandy, you won't be disappointed!
~WH~
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ive done 3, maybe 4 L&R RPL-05F swap in locks for GPR's and all required lots of inlet work, due to the GPR coil spring as opposed the flat main spring. this one should/might be easier as it's flat to flat for the main spring. but, i'll see ... bottom line is i can make it work one way or t'other.
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Have to L&R RPL's one for a CVA which is right handed and the other for Lyman which is left handed and I really like them both. :hairy
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I converted a Pedersoli Frontier from cap to flint with a L&R lock from Track of the Wolf. The lock fit the mortise just about perfectly and needed just a bit of minor filing in a spot or two. However, the lock plate needed a good polishing.
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good scoop to hear, semi - thanx for posting that, gives me hope it'll be a piece of cake ... any swap's gotta be easier than doin the RPL05 for a GPR - that takes a lot of tinkering and hogging out of stock wood!
didja have any issues with the touch hole liner mating up propery with the lock's pan, for the "sunset location"? that also can be critical.
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Rob, great way to spend your 4th of July! :bl th up
You have always done great work, no matter what the project, and that is a good thing!
I would love to have that "18" Reed Corp flat jawed wrench and your Rice Barrel Co. breech wrench".
I have seen several pictures in the past of you using that set-up, and I've 'threatened' no less than a dozen times to just go ahead and get that very same thing.....however, getrdone just ain't gettin done!
(On the other hand, as you well know, things have not gone quite as planned for sometime around my house, but that will surely change.)
Anyway, I installed a L&R Rpl and a Davis DST on a old Renegade caplock platform for my .58 Big Boar bbl, and I am pleased to report that even after removing all that wood, it works just great.
Uncle Russ...
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I think you made out just fine. :toast
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russ, unlike with investarms guns, i was a bit lucky with the pedersoli for gettin off the snail and breech but it didn't hurt having those wrenches on hand. since all the offshore offerings don't anti-seize lube breechs, snails, vent liners, once they're off and properly lubed then getting 'em off at some future date is rather easy with a sized crescent or pipe wrench.
anyhoo, worked on the GPR .50 today as well, pulled the breech, cleaned it all out, rasped and sanded the stock, even got an initial coat of tru-oil on it. life's good so far. :applaud :bl th up
trust you and the rest of the TMA are having a happy 4th!
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:hairy
You are one busy man, even on a supposedly day off! :bow
Uncle Russ...
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too dang much traffic to truck out to the kids, we stayed home, worked the guns and the garden. ;D
tonight we'll check out the town fireworks from our back yard, they put on a good show and lotsa holy black will get touched off! :applaud :wave
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I have nothing against converting a repro from percussion to flint .But one thing I am against is reconverting a original back to flint it is against the history of the gun they never look the same and are mostly done for financial gain . SAVE THE DRUM AND NIPPLE .
Feltwad
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if an original was converted from flint to cap i'd say a sacrilege was already committed. :Doh!
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When a original was converted to percussion it was for a better ignition but today when it is converted back is mostly for financial gain which is destroying the guns heritage
Feltwad
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When a original was converted to percussion it was for a better ignition but today when it is converted back is mostly for financial gain which is destroying the guns heritage
Feltwad
true dat ... but sometimes the conversion back to its original form is for function, or maybe just for restoration back to whence it was originally created. for me, it's all good - pick out what mindset seems to feel best.
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good scoop to hear, semi - thanx for posting that, gives me hope it'll be a piece of cake ......didja have any issues with the touch hole liner mating up propery with the lock's pan, for the "sunset location"? that also can be critical.
The touch hole lined up perfectly. It looks as though when these guns are designed to be either caplock or flintlock. All dimensions are the same. The only difference is whether the factory installs a percussion lock and drum & nipple, or flint lock and touch hole liner as the last step.
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good scoop to hear, semi - thanx for posting that, gives me hope it'll be a piece of cake ......didja have any issues with the touch hole liner mating up propery with the lock's pan, for the "sunset location"? that also can be critical.
The touch hole lined up perfectly. It looks as though when these guns are designed to be either caplock or flintlock. All dimensions are the same. The only difference is whether the factory installs a percussion lock and drum & nipple, or flint lock and touch hole liner as the last step.
that's what pedersoli told me, that the gun was designed for interchangeable ignition lock systems, but good to hear back from the real world that it appears to be so. thanx! :shake
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Thanks for posting this. I've had a percussion Frontier sitting in the box for 6 months just trying to work up the courage to make the conversion. I have Pedersoli's flint lock. You make it sound too easy... guess I'll have to be inspired and give it a try...
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hold on a bit with the conversion ...
after pulling the bolster i cleaned out the threads and lubed them lightly with Nikal anti-seize grease. then i went to screw in the M8x1.25 thread touch hole liner - it went in a few turns and then it was literally impossible to screw it down fully. it's as if the threads are of a different size. i queried pedersoli and they're sending me their M8x1.25 touch hole liner gratis, to see if there's a difference. will post the results here.
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Had the same problem with the touch hole liner when I converted my Frontier 36 from cap to flint. I just ground off the back side of the liner a thread or two, and while I was at it i coned the inside of the liner. The L&R lock is a good sparker. I use French amber flints, and have yet to have failure to fire, as long as the flint is sharp.
I think you will be happy with the conversion, I know I was.
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they're sending me their M8x1.25 touch hole liner gratis, to see if there's a difference. will post the results here.
Hi Rob,
It's more than a year later. Did you get that screw yet? :laffing
~Kees~
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they're sending me their M8x1.25 touch hole liner gratis, to see if there's a difference. will post the results here.
Hi Rob,
It's more than a year later. Did you get that screw yet? :laffing
~Kees~
hah! it's been awhile, hah? :Doh! ;D
i honestly don't remember if they did send off a new liner to test out, that gun didn't last long in my safe, sold it to another club member. oh well. so many guns, so little time. :wave :*: