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Traditional Firearms => Cap and Ball Revolvers => Topic started by: Uncle Russ on February 16, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
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Many of us love the old Caplock pistols. Replicas have been produced in record numbers since the early 1970's, when the public interest in all Filntlock, Caplock Rifles, and Pistols, experienced a phenomenal rise in interest.
Here is, IMO, a very fine example of just that.
(I thought my fellow members just might enjoy knowing, and seeing this.)
BTW; I have no interests in either the Texas Ranger Foundation, or Cimarron Firearms!
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Cimarron Firearms, known for their solid replicas and popular Cowboy Action guns, is producing a limited edition run of Walker replicas in .44-caliber. Colt Walker or Walker Colt revolvers were the most powerful, mass-produced black powder handguns made in its time.
Additionally, very few — 1,100 — original Walker revolvers were ever made. And most were made for military use making them rare and very collectible. Cimarron wants to put new guns in the hands of shooters and collectors alike with their replica 1847 Texas Ranger Walker .44 black powder repeater.
“The 1847 Walker was specifically designed to meet the hostilities of war and it put Samual Colt on the map as a gun maker,” said Jamie Wayt, Cimarron Firearms vice president. “The Texas Walker replica is meticulously produced. The attention to detail and craftsmanship make this replica a very special collector’s item.”
Walker insisted on a design so powerful that it would set the standard for decades to follow. (Photo: Cimarron)
The replicas will be as authentic as possible with original-style company markings with a special finish by Cimarron. Cimarron isn’t the first company to make Walker replicas but these guns stand out with their special aged finish and period markings.
The Texas Ranger Walker is a six-shot single-action .44 with a long 9-inch barrel. It has a substantial steel frame to handle the large charges. Walker insisted that the gun be capable of taking out a soldier on horseback, either by stopping the soldier or stopping the horse.
The original 1847 Walker revolver was a collaboration between Texas Ranger Captain Samuel Hamilton Walker and Samuel Colt. Built to fight in the Mexican-American War, Walker carried two of the revolvers but was killed on the battlefield shortly after receiving them.
See Also: Cimarron’s Evil Roy Cowboy Colt Replica
They are heavy at well over 4 pounds and were originally intended to be stowed in a saddle holster. That does help with recoil — each chamber can hold as much as 60 grains of powder.
In recognition of their legacy, Cimarron is going to donate 5 percent from each sale of every Texas Ranger Walker to the Former Texas Ranger Foundation.
And while the replicas are intended to be collectible with only 1,000 made, they’re very affordably priced with a suggested MSRP of $668. At that price, they will go fast, so collectors will have to move quickly before they’re completely sold out.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/cimarron-texas-ranger-walker/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20180216_FridayDigest_161&utm_campaign=/blog/cimarron-texas-ranger-walker/
Uncle Russ...
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Good posting, Russ. Thanks.
I sure did enjoy having one of them back in the day. I don't think I was ever able to cram 60 grains of powder into mine, though. 52 or 53 was about my max charge. Just couldn't get anymore in. Especially with a wonder wad under the ball.
Above it says that Cimarron is making the guns? I really wonder about that. I would think rather that Uberti is making them to Cimmaron's specifications. Hopefully, they will make the loading lever retaining spring a little more positive. It sure is irritating to have to return it to home position after every shot.
On mine, I had a dovetail machined into the barrel just ahead of the forcing cone and I installed a simple fixed sight on the barrel. That alleviated the famous Col. Colt's disappearing rear sight. Big benefit.
Hope the new model works out well for Cimmaron. Good people.
John
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My first handgun was an Italian replica of a Colt 1851 Navy. The second was a replica Walker. I literally wore that Navy out over the years. The Walker didn't see much use because I got frustrated with the loading lever dropping with every shot. Heck of a hand cannon, though.
John
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Thanks Russ
bigsmoke you may be onto them. Uberti and I'll check my Taylor's account to see if one shows up.
Update: Taylor's show 4 styles[colors] one is unfinished mfg. is Uberti
One in an antique finish like the one Uncle Russ posted. Actually IMO the antique finish is a well used coloration.
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My first handgun was an Italian replica of a Colt 1851 Navy. The second was a replica Walker. I literally wore that Navy out over the years. The Walker didn't see much use because I got frustrated with the loading lever dropping with every shot. Heck of a hand cannon, though.
John
Loading lever dropping is a pain - no doubt about that. I've only shot a Walker once and I must say it handled good for such a heavy Revolver, but because of the loading lever issue - I'd take a 3rd Model Dragoon any day. (Not that I have a Dragoon)... My BP cap-n-ball Revolvers are the 1858 Remington Army, 1851 and '63 Colt Navy Replica's. Regardless, the Walker is a classic! :bl th up
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I would like to bring this thread back to life if I can....
Since posting this my Daughters slipped a new Walker in Father's day gift.
(FWIW: It seems the girls still care for their old dad, although we had a little disagreement a couple of years back when a Gibbs Rifle showed up under the Christmas Tree....I had been looking at a Gibbs for some time, and was really thinking about one, but I would never expect it from my daughters. (They have other things to spend their money on.)
Besides that, there was problems with the rifle I didn't like it as soon as I opened it, so I sold it, unfired, at a bit of a loss but I did recover most of their money, thanks to my grandson.
Rob, our Admin and perhaps a couple more, know a bit of the story....but that was then, this is now.... I love my kids!)
Anyway, I have a brand new Walker, still unfired, much like the Ruger Old Army they gave me 15 or so years ago.
I ain't going to shoot that old Army, but as soon as I'm able I will be shooting the heck out of this Walker.
Got 200 OP Wads soaking in Mutton & Bees Wax, just have to "squeeze 'em out", got a .454 mold, and a .456 six-banger on order, and on the way.
Got enough caps, and enough Goex FFFg to last a lifetime, so this gun is going to get shot!!!
Here's a few pictures of this large revolver. I am going to call it "2 Sams"....Colonel Samuel Colt, and Captain Samuel Walker.
Two Sams that put their heads together to come up this beautiful revolver.
I put a .44 Mag Super Blackhawk in the picture because many folks "think" that BLackhawk is a big heavy gun...it ain't, not no more anyway.
Pictures are worth 1,000 words, or so they say.
But you decide.
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Russ...
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The Origional "Magnum".
John
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Anyway, I have a brand new Walker, still unfired,
Ain't there a law (or sumpthin),.... against havein' an "unfired" pistolgun?????? :o :o
I'm sure I read that somewheres years ago. :laffing :applaud :toast :bl th up
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"I put a .44 Mag Super Blackhawk in the picture because many folks "think" that BLackhawk is a big heavy gun...it ain't, not no more anyway. Pictures are worth 1,000 words, or so they say." ...Uncle Russ
I think you're correct, Russ. Even with its 10.5" bbl., my SBH doesn't weigh as much as the Colt's Walker. Btw, I got to handle an original at an upscale auction in NYC years ago and it was as impressive as it was heavy. Good luck with yours!
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Rondo, Oh my goodness, I guess I am guilty of yet another bit of law breaking. I picked up a really sweet little 1862 Colt Police maybe 5 years ago, more or less, might have even been longer than that. If someone before me fired it, I'd be surprised as it sure doesn't show any signs of wear. And I know I have not shot it, yet. Been too lazy to consider cleaning it afterwards. So, unfired it sits. Pity. Probably needs a new home with someone who would take it out and exercise it on a regular basis.
John
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"I put a .44 Mag Super Blackhawk in the picture because many folks "think" that BLackhawk is a big heavy gun...it ain't, not no more anyway. Pictures are worth 1,000 words, or so they say." ...Uncle Russ
I think you're correct, Russ. Even with its 10.5" bbl., my SBH doesn't weigh as much as the Colt's Walker. Btw, I got to handle an original at an upscale auction in NYC years ago and it was as impressive as it was heavy. Good luck with yours!
Maven, it is big, no doubt about it.
I found an old picture of my Revolvers from a few years back, I hate to dig 'em all out, unbox 'em, just to take pictures.
However, you can rest assured they are all alive and well!
...................snip...Gone..........
There is also a picture of the Old Army, that my daughters had engraved, and shes never been fired...it also spends its life in a box. I know that's a shame, a dirty rotten shame, it's just that some marbles are more colorful than other marbles, and dear to the heart.
This photo deleted as inappropriate by Uncle Russ...
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Russ...
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Rondo, Oh my goodness, I guess I am guilty of yet another bit of law breaking. I picked up a really sweet little 1862 Colt Police maybe 5 years ago, more or less, might have even been longer than that. If someone before me fired it, I'd be surprised as it sure doesn't show any signs of wear. And I know I have not shot it, yet. Been too lazy to consider cleaning it afterwards. So, unfired it sits. Pity. Probably needs a new home with someone who would take it out and exercise it on a regular basis.
John
Then off to the gulags with you John,.... until you fire that sweet 1862 and redeem yoreself! :laffing
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I've only shot a Walker colt once (at Chadron Fur Trade Days) in the Diamond Jim Match that ol' Red Donker was holding. I gotta say, I liked it. The first and only shot I ever took with one went right through ol' Diamond Jim's heart and I won the match. Pure luck no doubt. I remember thinking that the recoil wasn't all that bad and it pointed and held well as long as you didn't try to fine tune your hold.
Keep them hog'legs handy boys, 'cause next year I'm adding handguns to our Postal Match menu. :bl th up
That's a great gift Russ! :hairy
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Joe, I know you guys are probably tired of seeing that first picture of my pistols, but it was all I could find on my computer.
My love affair of C & B Pistols has waxed and waned over the many years I've been shooting them.
I think one major reason for that was because of my 1st Walker back in the mid 80's, early 90's.
The other reason would be the mess they make when you're putting a lot of rounds through 'em before scrubbing 'em down good.
IIRC, that 1sr Walker was made by ASM (Armi San Marco...I think?) and at the time it was thought by many to be the best thing since Doughnuts. At least that was what Dixie Gun Works was telling everybody, and Turner Kirkland sold 'em like Hot-Cakes.
Well...It wasn't! The cylinder didn't line up real good and it spit lead, caps were continually falling off, plus the loading lever dropped every time I shot it, no matter what load I was using.
I traded it off for a Palmetto Walker, that was butt-ugly, and practically worn out, but I shot it much better, so life was good.
I have had other C & B Colt Pistols over the years that shot much better than I could hold them at 50 / 60yds but they were a ton of fun to shoot from the bench, and at 30yds.
At one time I owned a 1858 Rem Target Model with adjustable sights, but the guys wouldn't let me shoot with 'em cause I'd win all their Nickles & Dimes.... just about every time.
Since those guns were few and far between at that time, they decided to change the rules of the game a little bit to non-adjustable sights, so I traded that 1858 Rem. for another Colt.
Their little deal ended up being okay with me after a while, because I had a Colt that shot dead center at about 60 'paces', and with the targets being on stands about about 4' high at 25yds, all I had to do was get a sight picture about half-way between the ground and the bottom of the black, and at times I even surprised myself. I actually made black more often than not.
Somewhere between North McGregor Range and White Sands Missile Range, I shot, and / or shot at, a truck load of Jack Rabbits, and bagged two Badgers.....can't do that no more, the Badger Population on North McGregor is closed to hunting.
Plus, I 'killed' a hundred rocks, and a whole bunch of Prickle Pear Cactus that was "sneaking up on me" out there in that desert.
My goodness that was fun! You don't have to be a kid to have fun, it's available to everyone!
C & B Revolvers can indeed be a fun game.
You'll either love 'em, or you will end up hating 'em, because they are the dirtiest gun out there.
Of course, you guys already know all this.
Just reminiscing a bit I suppose. But I am looking forward to getting out as soon as I feel up to it again.
Got my OP wads all finished, and about 100 .454 ball ready to go, so we'll just wait and see what paper targets tells us about this new Walker.
Russ...
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Caution: Non m/l content!
Uncle Russ, back around 1972 or 3 I lived near North Pole, Alaska, over by Fairbanks. I always got my gas at Scotty's Gas Station, and the owner knew I like guns. He asked me to come into the shop one day, and hands me a HUGE single action revolver, in .45-70. A lovely piece he had picked up over the years. He had never fired it, but his mechanic (who stood over 6') did, once. :laffing
Fast forward a couple of years when I was at the Gavora Mall in Fairbanks. There was a gun shop there called "Down Under Guns", which was named that because it was under the stairs going to the second floor. Under the glass of the counter was what I took to be the gun I had seen previously, and I made a comment along the lines of "I see you got Scotty's pistol." The guy behind the counter immediately said "you know where the other one is?" Then he told me the history of these guns. It seems that in the 1930s a guy from Minnesota was planning to go to Alaska. He had heard about all the big bears so had a pair of .45-70 pistols hand made, and took them up with him. However, Alaska didn't suit him for some reason or other, he didn't get to be rich, and he sold the pistols for money to get back to the Lower 48.
A week after this I was back at Down Under Guns, and both pistols were facing each other under the glass.
I don't know what has happened to them. in 2000 when I was last in Fairbanks, my ex-wife's husband was working at Down Under Guns (which had moved to the old Railroad depot) and I didn't really want to renew my acquaintance with her or him and didn't frequent the place.
Kees
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At one time I owned a 1858 Rem Target Model with adjustable sights, but the guys wouldn't let me shoot with 'em cause I'd win all their Nickles & Dimes.... just about every time.
Since those guns were few and far between at that time, they decided to change the rules of the game a little bit to non-adjustable sights, so I traded that 1858 Rem. for another Colt.
Russ,.... I also had one of those Pietta 1858 Rem Target Models, bought it at Cabelas in the mid 80's, and it shot like'a house on fire. :bl th up
Sold it later to buy gun parts for a rifle I was building,.... and didn't buy another Pietta 1858 until the early 2000's. It didn't take long to discover it was just as accurate as the 1st. one even though it had the non-adjustable sights. :bl th up
Since then, I've bought a couple more (another one with the 8" barrel, and one with the 5" barrel) to keep it company. :)
Those pistols are "real shooters" for sure. :hairy
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Kees,..... I've spent more than a few dollars in Down Under Guns back when I lived in Alaska, it was and still may be, the only place that stocked real black powder in that part of the country. :bl th up
Oh,.... and I have a cousin that lives in North Pole. :)
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Oh,.... and I have a cousin that lives in North Pole. :)
Rondo, old friend, old' pal....that Cousinn of yours, Does he wear a Red Suit?
If he does, I've been dying to meet this guy since I was a kid.
This "Man in the Red Suit" has brought me more guns than I can remember.
It seems Christmas is a great time for love ones to get us that one thing we have been looking at all year, trying to get our pennies together so we can grab it up....then Boom! There it is under the tree, and always signed "From: Santa Claus
Yes Sir, you're spot on about those 58 Remmy's. In the right hands, they will take your lunch money for an entire week....and make ya wish ya hadn't shown up to shoot that event.
In Chaparral New Mexico, we shot "reduced range / reduced targets" using small-bore Silhouette Targets for the Pistolero match.
they were set 20, 30, 40, and 50 yds.
The 58 Remmies was definitely the premier gun for these matches, The Colts shot to high to be really effective, and it was always a "adjust by the dust" situation.
But if the targets were moved out to 40, 50, 60 and 70yds the Colts always placed strong...no matter what range they set, those stupid Chickens were a major pain.
My next C&B is going to be a 3rd Dragoon....the few I have shot have been an absolute joy.
Great balance, they 'hold' really good, and they're as close in accuracy as any center-fire I have shot at 40 yds....Great Gun!
Can't understand why Samuel Colt designed those pistols for such long range back in the day, maybe he was afraid somebody would get hurt, or maybe intentionally shot at 75 plus yds?
The sights on the 3rd Model Dragoon are much more reasonable for a pistolero actually trying to hit something. Perhaps that's why more of them were made, and actual issued to the Troops for a few years...The Calvary needed constant 'shoot ability' a lot worse than they needed a lucky 100 yd shot....yet, there was only one proven incident of a 100 yd shot with a Walker Colt.
Russ...
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All, I'm still wondering whether I did the right thing last March when I didn't purchase an unfired Uberti replica of the 1861 (?) Colt's Navy revolver. The price was $200 less sales tax. It felt good in my hand and had a nice light trigger, but having just come into the store from firing my .22cal. Ruger target pistol (Gov't. Model), I just didn't like the feel of that narrow trigger blade. After I got home, I phoned the store and tried to put a deposit on the gun, but they didn't seem to be interested. Alas, it was gone the next day. :Doh!
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Rondo, old friend, old' pal....that Cousinn of yours, Does he wear a Red Suit?
If he does, I've been dying to meet this guy since I was a kid.
Sorry Russ,.... my cousin in North Pole is a woman. :laffing
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OK, so we look at the .45-70 revolvers and say, "OMG!!"
But, have you ever seen that stacked barrel Derringer in .45-70? That takes insane to another whole level. Not so sure I would want to shoot that one. IIRC, they say you can also shoot a .45 Colt cartridge or a .410 shotgun shell in it.
We now return control of your computer to guns that load properly.
John
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We now return control of your computer to guns that load properly.
:bl th up :toast
Kees
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Fellow Members, in a few posts back I have deleted one of the Photos.
There was NOTHING Traditional about several of the guns in that one picture, although they were all revolvers.
I have sincerely regretted posting that picture, since about 10 minutes after making the post.....That was a "Dang, Wish I hadn't done that moment"!
And I ask for your forgiveness.
Like many of you, I own and I shoot a lot of different guns......when I'm able to shoot.
But this forum is not the place to show them off....unless, of course it's a Traditionally styled gun...period!
The pictures I posted were old pictures, and that one that I came up with after a somewhat extensive search was totally not appropriate for this forum...my computer is loaded with "unnamed" pictures, it has been since we lost Photobucket, and I tried to retrieve many of my own before that ship sank on me.
Many, if not most, are very old and inappropriate for a Traditional Muzzleloading Forum.
In the future I promise to not post anything inappropriate, which will include any of my modern guns.
My deepest apologies for letting that photo slip through yesterday...although I may be proud of it, there is nothing Traditional about it, and it shouldn't have been shared on this forum.
My apologies and I hope you all understand.
Respectfully, Uncle Russ...
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As shucks, Russ, inappropriate, maybe, but surely not a mortal sin. So, go your way and sin no more. For your penance, post three photos of absolutely beautiful muzzleloading rifles.
John
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Russ, all I got's to say is we expect to see you in the handgun matches with that hogleg! :hairy
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But.... but.... but there were muzzle loading revolvers in there also! That should have made the photos appropriate! :o :laffing
Kees
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Well Russ, I sorta did the same thing last week on the ALR Forum. You see there was a pistol postal match for October over there and I entered with a revolver, not a sidekick as per ALR Forum rules. Worse, I posted a photo of both my target, and gulp, the offending piece, a Ruger Old Army (stainless steel). That photo was later removed, but not by me. Ironically, the match sponsor had no problem with it. :applaud You'll have to excuse me while I continue flagellating myself over my thoughtlessness. :pray:
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"Flagellating".... :Doh!
(I had to look that one up, now, after reading it, I suspect I may owe myself a bit of Flagellating too, although I dread the thought.)
The funny thing is, I fully understand.
Had I thought, I could have prevented my own embarrassment....so maybe it was the devil that made me do it.... Heck, I don't know.
But I do know, it didn't take long for me to realize the mistake.
Even though I love shooting that old gun, this forum was just not the place for it, and I knew that before I posted that picture, although there were a few Period Correct C&B Revolvers, a couple of them were not...I could have "cut" those out, it's just I felt a bit over jubilant even finding that old picture...
I hope everyone takes into consideration, and realizes how easy it can be to make such a mistake,
I know I do...... And I also know I will do my best to be a little 'kinder' on the forum should others slip-up and make that same mistake.....as long as they don't talk about or promote such guns. We are all human beings, and as such, we all make mistakes.
Russ...
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"Didn't put enough percussion revolvers in your picture, Russ... Saw it right off..." :laffing :lol sign :shake
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Anyway, I have a brand new Walker, still unfired,
Ain't there a law (or sumpthin),.... against havein' an "unfired" pistolgun?????? :o :o
I'm sure I read that somewheres years ago. :laffing :applaud :toast :bl th up
Was the most powerful production handgun UNTIL the .357 magnum came out in 1934!
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I've mentioned this before; Back (many many years ago) Ol' Red brought a Colt Walker to Rendezvous one year. Anyway he set up a "Dimond Jim" card cheat shoot with it - and even had a Diamond Jim upper body cut out in the opposite chair (across from you where you sit)...
Anyway, on the command you had to pick up that Walker Colt (with one hand) that was next to you on the table, and shoot (while setting) ol' Diamond Jim 'cause he was a card cheat! Now that was a fun shoot and although I wasn't but maybe 4 feet from ol' Diamond Jim - I nailed him in the heart and won the match... Good time, good fun, and quite the "roar" of that revolver.
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