Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Stormrider51 on April 25, 2019, 10:15:02 PM
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I've been a flintlock shooter for a day or two now. I've tried different brands and granulations of powder. Just about every kind of lube, patch, and everything else I could think of. The one thing I haven't tried are the French amber flints. I've stuck with the black English flints from Tom Fuller although I can't really tell you why. So I'm asking those of you who have used the French flints your opinion. What do you find to be the pros and cons of each? I appreciate your experiences and thoughts.
John
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What a good question
My father in law really liked the ambers
But there was some that he absolutely hated I wished I could remember which ones they were
Maybe one of these older fellers remember him com-Lanning about them
I’ll be curious on everyone’s opinion
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Well, I am not really much of a flint aficionado, but I have a fondness for the English flints. I have tried the French ambers and could see no difference. I'd stick with the black ones.'
John
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I've never used the French Amber Flints, but I did read one time where several folks said they sparked very well - but they didn't last very long... Only repeating what I've read in the past, and I have no experience with them. I do like the Black English Flints so I see no reason to switch or even test the French.
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I mainly use black English but have tried the amber a while back. I dont know where I got it but remember it was as good as any. I' ve also used quite a few white flints from St Louis that a guy on ALR was selling a few yrs ago. That was early on in my flint journey. They spark great usually, meaning either really good or just so so. I still have a few dozen of those as backups I guess. I shoot 99% flint, the only capper I shoot is my Uberti Hawken. I'd like to try some Kansas flint but havent found a good place to get any yet.
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i prefer quality knapped flints over cut flints.
if a flint sparks well, it's a well flint.
a well flint is a good flint, no matter where it came from or what is its color.
i think entirely too much is spent on flint debates.
all that matters are the sparks - and if a flint isn't sparking well, it might need knapping, or it's improperly positioned and angled, or it's striking the hammer steel incorrectly, or it could be a hammer steel hardness issue.
however, i prefer "fine" flints - that is, a thin flint with one cutting edge, not a "common" flint with a high middle peak and dual cutting edges. i could care less if it's black or amber. fine flints sit better in the cock jaws, for me, and only one edge is needed, which will get knapped to be kept sharp.
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Well, I am not really much of a flint aficionado, but I have a fondness for the English flints. I have tried the French ambers and could see no difference. I'd stick with the black ones.'
John
That would be a plus one for me. Both are good but I am stuck on the English too. :hairy
Dave
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besides, "black is beautiful". :wave
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I have used both, but find the Frenchies are harder to find as opposed to the Black English. I'm not sure if it is true of all the flint sizes, but the french ones I use in my Hatfield (7/8") have only one striking edge. the english flits I have used all have two striking edges, which could be good if you don't have time to knapp during a shoot. You just turn the flint around to the other edge. As for longevity, I have not noticed a difference. Both seem to produce a good shower of sparks in a good lock with a good frizzen. Some people just don't like the amber color of the french flints.
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during a shoot or woods walk, or worse yet a seneca run, the last thing i wanna do is flip or change a flint. i can knap a flint edge Sharp whilst in the jaws far faster than swapping it out. flipping the flint around also means making sure it's gonna strike the hammer steel in the sweet spot, like it did (or shudda done) with its now bad edge. i also find that fine flints knap easier and faster, prolly due to their flatter cross section shape, whereas a 2 edge domed common flint will have a steeper angle and be a bit more of a hassle to knap. if ordering from TOTW, you can specify single edged fine flints in yer order, black or amber.
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X2 on avoiding cut flints. Not worth the cost.
I have tried both French and English flints. I prefer the blonde flints. Better spark and equal durability. IMHO
IronHand
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I have no complaints on the Tom Fuller flints from TOW. Only had one break and that could have been my fault. They spark great and go forever before they need knapped. Still shooting the same two dozen I bought when I got my smoothbore five years ago. They all been knapped once. Bought two dozen for my Lancaster and haven’t used but six of them yet.
I’m of the school of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.
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I've also used quite a few white flints from St Louis that a guy on ALR was selling a few yrs ago.
ridjrunr,,, I've got some of those flints from that guy (not sure if he still does them) but I have no complaints about them either.
Didn't he call them "chert" and got it out'a the Missouri River? Anyway, like you I keep them for a back up - though I wonder if I should use those - and keep my Black English Flints for the backups (or) when your in an event or out hunting where need to be absolutely positively confident you're going to get good spark. Not saying his didn't/don't spark well 'cause they do. Is his name, Rich Price?
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Rich Pierce, I believe. Never got my hands on any of his flints but they had a good rep. I don't think he is still in business though.
John
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Yes, that's his name John... :bl th up
You're right John about Rich not doing flints anymore, however I do recall some years back, I was over on ALR and had mentioned TOW was out'a the English Flints I use, and he sent me a PM saying he'd send me some if I was in real need. Well I thanked him, but I wasn't out of flints, I was just padding the nest so to speak. I thought that was really good of him to make that offer. :hairy
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I still have a batch of Rich's Flints, can't remember ever using them though but I might have.
I've never really liked the French Amber, the few I've tried were unremarkable other than needing almost constant knapping.
I've stuck with the Black English Flint forever, other than occasionally feeling the need to try some different, not better just different.
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An old friend and I are pretty tight with a nickel, but decided to go halves on a French amber.
We flipped a coin we had borrowed. Jack never returned it.
I got to try the flint first. I used it for about a hundred rounds, then gave it to Jack. He claimed it wasn't sharp as it used to be, and was awful short for his trade gun.
So, we had mixed reviews when all was said and done. I had better results than he did for some reason.
I use black flints, and am perfectly happy with them.
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Well, seems to me there are darned few who have actually tried French flints and none who prefer them. A look at the Track of the Wolf catalog tells me that the English flints fitting my Brown Bess are $2.40 each while the French ones sell for $2.50. The question becomes whether the French ones are in some way worth the extra ten cents apiece. Maybe they last longer. Or maybe my Big Brit Musket will spit them out in tiny pieces after very few shots. There's only one way to know.
John
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RobD - I agree with you on the "fine" flints. They do fit better for sure and the length of use is about the same as with any other as far as I can tell.
My question is where can you order just "fine" flints? Have gotten all my flints from TOW and while satisfied, woud like to have the thin "fine" flints.
Thunderhawk1828
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RobD - I agree with you on the "fine" flints. They do fit better for sure and the length of use is about the same as with any other as far as I can tell.
My question is where can you order just "fine" flints? Have gotten all my flints from TOW and while satisfied, woud like to have the thin "fine" flints.
Thunderhawk1828
specify on the online order form single edge fine flints or call your order in to make sure they'll send fine flints.
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RobD:
thanks - will do
Thunderhawk1828