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Craftsmanship => Clothing and Other Crafts => Topic started by: Oldetexian on May 17, 2019, 12:00:37 PM

Title: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 17, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
I am really hankering to hear how some of you approach this task. I know there must be a million different ideas and methods that all work to a varying degree. Is there a good historically correct method for F&I War period?

That's a good question... I'm wondering if beeswax mixed with something comes into play here? Perhaps mixed with a tallow?
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Fyrstyk on May 17, 2019, 12:50:26 PM
I have read that bear grease was used to treat mocks. When that wasn't available, goose grease and coon fat was used.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Bigsmoke on May 17, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
Beargrease and beeswax does a great job.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 17, 2019, 01:30:48 PM
Personally, I would get a magical piece of kit called "goretex booties" :-p

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Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 17, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Seriously, I see Dyers has some stuff for $10 PLUS $4 shipping. I dunno, I'm am old tightwad. I use neatsfoot oil for a lot, but also, I'm big on Picards leather dressing. I've had my WWI jackboots for 23 years and I bought them from a guy. Made by Missouri Boot and Shoe... Other than needing some hobnails, they're in great shape.

Said new to me footwear will be here today, so we'll see.

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Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 17, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Beeswax I got...but a little light on the bear grease. Would tallow (or lard) work as substitute?

Or...does anyone have an over abundance, and need to get rid of some bear grease??? :lol sign
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Spotted Bull on May 17, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
I've used bear grease to waterproof and treat pouches before. Sure do wish I had another big jar...
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Winter Hawk on May 17, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
I like Sno-Seal.  Natural ingredients, no silicone, and it makes a dandy patch lube also.

~Kees~
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Spotted Bull on May 17, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Anything that includes the word sno or snow, is against my religion....
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 18, 2019, 06:33:46 AM
I made my first batch of fixin' wax last week. Since it is about half beeswax and half lard, I am thinking that might work as a waterproofing. At least, don't think it will hurt...
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 18, 2019, 07:22:33 AM
If you got a scrap piece if leather laying around - put some of that fixin's on it and see what it does. I don't know why it wouldn't work...
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 18, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
 :hairy Good thinking...sumthin' that has never been my strong suit. Definitely going to do that.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 18, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
Okay, first coat of neatsfoot slathered on. Frak, that leather is thick. Like ¼" thick. Anyway...  We'll see if I can get it softened. Are these Dyer's supposed to be hard?
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Bigsmoke on May 18, 2019, 07:21:57 PM
Dyers and other lookalikes are firm, but not hard, per se.  At least, they shouldn't be.
Ol' Bill of  Lube 103 fame claims his potion is great for waterproofing leather stuff.  And in fact, I did used to use it on my hunting boots and my feet stayed pretty dry.  I also used it on my leather gloves.  Rumor is it is not much else but Chapstick.  And it did keep my lips from chaffing and my cheeks did not get windburnt, either.  I didn't really care for it for a patch lube but it was good as a wood and metal preservative as well as a leather dressing.  It would make my shooting bag perk right up after a winter'w worth of hiding in the closet.
Bumblin' Bear Grease from October Country is also good for all the above, and I probably like it the best.  Lube 103 and BBG are great as a leather dressing.
Jojoba oil and beeswax is another good  thing.  The Jojoba oil duplicates sperm whale oil.
I have never tried most of the other items above mentioned, but have no doubt that they are also good.
John
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 18, 2019, 08:48:24 PM
I don't have any of those other things. I do have some neatsfoot oil. I also have some Pecards leather dressing which I have used for years. I looked. I have some mink oil too.

<https://pecard.com/>
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Spotted Bull on May 18, 2019, 10:54:34 PM
Most heavy leather, especially if it was vegetable tanned leather can be softened up by working the leather back and forth, twisting and wringing it. I will do that to bags I make, especially after the dye is dry. Keep adding your favorite dressing as well.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 19, 2019, 08:48:05 AM
Never heard of Bumbling Bear Grease, but I like the sound of it. And, truth be told, I am not sure if I have heard of October Country, either...sorta rings a bell, but can't be sure. Regardless I am going to check both of 'em out.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 09:04:24 AM
It's a Muzzleloading company/reseller. Have not bought from them, so couldn't tell you.

As to something made with bear grease... No. It's a personal thing.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
.Jojoba oil and beeswax is another good  thing.  The Jojoba oil duplicates sperm whale oil.
I have never tried most of the other items above mentioned, but have no doubt that they are also good.
John
I forgot also about the jonoba oil. Sadly there's just thing I know that I'm allergic to... Yep, jojoba... Makes muy carcus break out in hives.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: prairie dog on May 19, 2019, 12:28:03 PM
I use snowseal and a heat gun on my Navaho sliders.  They will turn black and dirty but my feet haven't gotten wet in six years of wet muddy rendezvous.   
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 12:39:39 PM
My first goal with these is to get them so they aren't rock solid. I'll give them some more Pecards today. Tempted to another jug of neatsfoot oil and fill them, let sit for a bit, then empty out. Nice leather of that thickness, that hasn't been oiled  for awhile (and that's what it seems), is hard.

I'll keep them gooped up for awhile. Well see if I get motivated to go to tractor supply. They have neatsfoot oil at a reasonable price. And, I'm pretty sure they're open on the Day of Hayzoos -- something many stores around here are not.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Uncle Russ on May 19, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
I like Sno-Seal.  Natural ingredients, no silicone, and it makes a dandy patch lube also.

~Kees~

Yes it does! It works quite well.

Another one, that surprised me and a lot of others very early on was Hand-cleaner, by Permatex.
(Not the one with "grit" in it....the white one with a Lanolin base)

This was something I learned from our Mexican neighbors to the South when we lived in El Paso, TX, back in the 70s and 80s....it is cheap, water clean up friendly, comes in small tins, not affected by moderate temperature changes, and those tins have hundreds of uses afterwards.
I'm pretty sure my boys in New Mexico still use it exclusively, still today, after all that is what they grew up with, but it has been several years since I shot with either of them.
The also use Sno-Seal, as it too has many useful uses in our hobby, especially since Bear grease, and Sperm oil is something of a rarity nowadays.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 04:17:45 PM
So, update on the mocc softening. 24 or so hours later I can say that they are definitely softer. I didn't goop up the interiors. Going rub in some more Pecards later. Good stuff that.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 19, 2019, 06:09:31 PM
Just visited the October Country Website...impressive black powder supply store. What I liked best was the Bumbling Bear Grease. It seems to be the "real deal."

The specs say it is half bear grease and half beeswax. That "sealed the deal" fur me... I now have a quarter pound block on the way for me to try.

Bear grease and beeswax... that sounds as HC/PC as ya could ask for...now, if it actually works...I'll keep you all informed.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Just visited the October Country Website...impressive black powder supply store. What I liked best was the Bumbling Bear Grease. It seems to be the "real deal."

The specs say it is half bear grease and half beeswax. That "sealed the deal" fur me... I now have a quarter pound block on the way for me to try.

Bear grease and beeswax... that sounds as HC/PC as ya could ask for...now, if it actually works...I'll keep you all informed.
Big site, better than many (Log Cabin's is a nightmare). You might also look at Pecards Leather Dressing. Like I said, good stuff. The moccs have went from a brownish gray to a more reddish brown and getting more pliable.

Where do you live in ol' Virginny?
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 19, 2019, 07:55:36 PM
Hey Marsh. I am blessed to live at the corner of heaven and civilization as my trapping partner used to be fond of sayin.' To the west of me are the Blue Ridge Mountains... and that means I am 20 min from the Appalachian trail and both Jefferson and George Washing National Forests.

And to the North of me is the James River, so I am only about 20 minutes from some of the best Small Mouth Bass fishing, kayaking and canoeing in the entire state.

My partner used to proclaim the heaven begins in the Blue Ridge Mountains and civilization stops at the north bank of the James...so I am right there in that happy corner. The lodge is actually in Lynchburg, 'bout as close as I could get to the Mountains and still call myself a married man...

My son's farm is in Bedford County, also about a half hour from me...And the county normally ranks at top of Virginia Deer harvest records.

Never heard of Pecard's but I will definitey give it a try.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 19, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Got ya. My idiot ex-boss lives in Keysville, so I've been down thataway a night of times. I lived in Northern Virginia for 13½ years. Virginia, away from there and Richmond (the ghetto of VA) is beautiful. Now I live in Amish country which has its own coolness.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Oldetexian on May 20, 2019, 08:33:00 AM
You live in a beautiful area also. Both me and the bride love the Amish country of PA. My bride has a favorite pottery not far from Lancaster. It's always a nice area to relax for a few days.

And I envy you folks with you big Pennsylvania Bucks. Your deer are larger (on average) than ours. drool every time I see pics of some of those monsters.

Northern Virginia on the other hand is good for nothing but flying over (at a high altitude). I've never lived there, but have spent far too much time on Capital Hill and those scary environs. Traffic is spawned in the pits of Hell, and absolutely deadly. Glad ya made it out of there with your scalp still attached and your soul intact.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 20, 2019, 09:38:59 AM
I live in Shippensburg. Lots of their farms around. Usually, if I'm lucky, a buggy will come down my street and crap by my house and I can scoop it up for my roses

Lots of deer here. 1st day of hunting season is a state holiday. Not that I hunt... I'm not really into venison, but I'm not against others doing it. Sounds like a WW2 reenactment though... People need to practice.

I lived in Annandale back on the day, but it's so different there now and it's never dark. Or quiet. My sailboat is in Mt. Vernon, so I'm down there often enough. Still, traffic is way worse than when I left 20 years ago and the politics are disgusting.

Where you live is nice.

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Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: blackpowderbill on May 20, 2019, 11:22:51 AM
I use mink oil,that yellow stuff that season's a rifle bore  :lol sign mixed with bees wax, sheep tallow and lanolin. What ever is handy after they dry out and stiffen up.

Then I grease them down and hit with a heat gun to allow the mix to soak in.
Title: Re: Waterproofing Moccasins
Post by: Flinchlock on May 20, 2019, 01:22:43 PM
I do have some mink oil in with me shoe cleanin' stuff... I just really like Pecards. Goes on greasy, but works it's way into the leather. I'll try and take some pix to compare with ebay ones.

Now, I need some breeches.