Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Cap and Ball Revolvers => Topic started by: Uncle Russ on November 25, 2019, 04:06:02 PM
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Ohio Joe, I'm pretty sure the two of us are not the only users of Black Powder Revolvers on this forum, so I started a new thread.
I know Rondo also shoots these guns, so maybe we can generate a little interest for those just getting started.
My new Walker is getting a new paper cartridge former from Tim, along with plastic templates for cutting them out.
This one will be for a roundball. I still haven't recieved my new mould for the original Dow Johnston Colt conical bullet.
My results using the Lee conical just hasn't been up to expectations...5 or 6" at 20 yds just doesn't cut the muster for me when I can do half that with a roundball!!
I have rolled cartridges with everything from Zip Cigarette Papers to Coffee Filters, and Coffee Filters soaked in "Stump Killer" then hung put to dry before cutting work best for me.
I have some pictures on my phone that are fair, not the best, but fair, that shows a few groups with 40gr FFFg, and a .454 ball that I will post as soon as I find my USB cable.
I did fire 6 shots using 50gr FFFg at a tin can, and that's a whole new ball game with that big heavy Walker.
No wonder the Texas Rangers had major problems with 60 gr.
That truly must make for a handful of gun!
No wonder they called it a "Horse Pistol".
BTW: I've hinted around to my daughters that a 1851 Colt would certainly make a nice Christmas present... :toast
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Russ if you have your email on your phone you can email yourself the pictures, and then open the email on the computer and download them. I do it all the time.
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I've done the same thing with my Ipad.
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We kind'a go in spurts with this BP Revolvers in discussing them here at the TMA, but there is a'lot to learn from all who shoot them - that's for sure! :bl th up
I have never had a cigarette paper rolled "ball" cartridge ever fail to go off with any hesitation that I've shoved the whole "folded end" into the base of the chamber,,, but,,, I use #11 RWS Hot Caps and I pick each Nipple before capping. (granted, I do not get complete paper burn - but had never given that much thought... I normally take a Q-Tip and pull the un-burned paper cartridge out of each chamber...
Now with the above said, I will be switching to nitrated paper for future reloads as it only makes sense to do so and eliminate two loading steps (digging out the paper residue left in the chamber [regardless of how little there is], and picking the nipples prior to capping.
I'll also note that I would use #10 caps - but they're mighty scares in this part of the country - and the #11's work just fine with a little pinch.
I really like my one '58 Remington Army Model as I have 2 spare cylinders for that one made by Pietta, but I don't care much for the grip... Love the '51 Navy colt, and '61 Navy Sheriffs Model. They just feel right in my hand...
A good winter's project this year would be to make some paper cartridges. :hairy
By the way,,, I've only shot a Walker Colt once and that was at a Rendezvous. Had to shoot ol' Diamond Jack in the heart for cheating at cards... You know that didn't even faze the ol' Rascal because the guys behind me had to shoot him too for cheating at cards... lol!!!
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I used to just really enjoy the c&b revolvers. Started out with a Hawes 1851 Sheriff Model in .36 cal. It was probably 1969 or 1970 when I got that. That was really a shooter, but it kinda fell apart, brass frame and all.
Then I got an 1858 Remington all steel, and that was a great pistol.
Somewhere along the line I got a Walker for no reason except I saw it for sale at a gun show. It was a lot of fun, but I could never get 60 grains of powder into the chambers, plus a .454 ball, more like 50 or so.
Then I started distributing Uberti revolvers and each shipment I would pull a different pistol out of the order to add to my collection. Wound up with one each of all the c&b revolvers they made. Pretty impressive display.
Ruger Old Army's? Probably have had a dozen of them over the years. Always the best shooters.
I also had a Rogers and Spencer at one time and I really liked that one. Very smooth and crisp. Shot OK, but was never as good as any of the Rugers.
Now, I just have one little 1862 Police and I have never shot that at all. I have probably had it for 10 years +/-. Just too darn lazy to clean them anymore, I guess.
When I did shoot them, I never used pre-rolls, always poured powder out of the flask, then a Wonder Wad, then the ball. I only put grease on top of the ball a few times, then switched over to wads. Always used #10 caps and even with those, I would give them a little pinch. I have had one chain fire one time, and it was my fault. I loaded two chambers but I didn't cap the second chamber. It surely went boom!!!
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I have a couple that were given to me that I need to sell I reckon. Both need more work done to them than I can do. Heck I think that one of them is actually in a couple of ziplock bags. :Doh!
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I have 3 1858 revolvers, and love'em. :bl th up
I've also had a couple of Colt revolvers over the years, but passed them on.
I've never tried "rolling my own" paper cartridges, but may play around with doing so in the future.
My favorite load in my 1858's is,.... 30 grs. fffg, followed by a "pea-sized" ball of stiff lube (made from sheep tallow, a bit of beeswax, and some olive oil),... followed by a .454 round ball. :bl th up
I shot my "Mike Fink" target this year with one of my 1858's (instead of a rifle, due to a rotator cuff injury in my left shoulder), and Blackpowder Bill, and I, managed to win 1st. place in that shoot. :applaud :toast
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I have 3 1858 revolvers, and love'em. :bl th up
I've also had a couple of Colt revolvers over the years, but passed them on.
I've never tried "rolling my own" paper cartridges, but may play around with doing so in the future.
My favorite load in my 1858's is,.... 30 grs. fffg, followed by a "pea-sized" ball of stiff lube (made from sheep tallow, a bit of beeswax, and some olive oil),... followed by a .454 round ball. :bl th up
I shot my "Mike Fink" target this year with one of my 1858's (instead of a rifle, due to a rotator cuff injury in my left shoulder), and Blackpowder Bill, and I, managed to win 1st. place in that shoot. :applaud :toast
Rondo, in my .44's ('58 Remington's) My paper cartridges run; 28.7 grns 3fg w/ .3cc of cream of wheat on top that, then a .454 ball (glue sticked) in on top the charged inside the paper cartridge... I can't find my load data for my .36's... Got'a be around here somewhere...
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I have about a dozen. Ranging from snubbie to Revolving Rifle.
Unlike many folks I prefer the Remington over the Colt.
Here are a couple of my latest additions.
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IronHand
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I have about a dozen. Ranging from snubbie to Revolving Rifle.
Unlike many folks I prefer the Remington over the Colt.
Here are a couple of my latest additions.
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IronHand
You'n me both! :hairy :toast :)
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We compete with them in the North South Skirmish Association. If I had to rank what's most popular, it would probably be a tie between 1858 Remington and Rogers & Spencer. Colts are down the list, but there was a team that used only LeMats.
There are a couple smiths in the Association that accurize these critters. Often a repop cylinder is bored undersize to the barrel and has to be opened up. Then there is often an issue with the forcing cone. Timing is often off and needs to be corrected. Finally, many of the stock repop barrels aren't up to target work. I've seen 1858s that were completely worked over shoot 1in groups at 25yds from a rest and that's not uncommon.
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My CVA always shot high.
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My CVA always shot high.
They were designed that way back in the day. The troops were taught center mass hold so a bullet going high on a belt buckle hold is a chest shot and would still guarantee a hit at distance. For target work, this is obviously a problem.
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I have about a dozen. Ranging from snubbie to Revolving Rifle.
Unlike many folks I prefer the Remington over the Colt.
Here are a couple of my latest additions.
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IronHand
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I've only owned two and they are gone to new homes. The first was a 1858 Remmy and a Rogers and Spencer decades later. The 1858 was a Navy Arms purchase in the late 1960s. I fired it a lot and made my most spectacular c&b shot with that good gun. With a witness standing next to me I shot a buzzard out of the sky with one shot. The R&S was maybe the most accurate, as it would put 6 shots under 2" at 25 yards. I now only have a flint pistol. My holy grail is a .36 Colt 1862 Pocket Police.
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Russ if you have your email on your phone you can email yourself the pictures, and then open the email on the computer and download them. I do it all the time.
I'm sorry David but it didn't work....got the following message.
I checked everything / every setting I could check, and it left me scratching my head.
I wouldn't know a "Proxy Setting" if I passed one on the street..... :o
And, PC Matic tells me there is no virus...so I'll just wait 'till my next outing shooting and take pictures I know how to handle.
Thanks bud!
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For those of you wanting to "roll your own cartridges",.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW9IoAxnPP4
Boxing and packaging pistol cartridges,.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffjLU4hxh6c
Nitrating paper for cartridges,.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQAxp8dUiJQ
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My old "Former" is a old glued back together piece of wood, that I whittled and sanded on form from a 1/2" dowel.
It's good to see there's more folks shootin these ol CB Revolvers than I had suspected.
It would be my best guess that the 1858 Remington is favored about 10:1 over the Colt.
I have owned two over years past, and even recognizing they were a favorite over the Colt, they just didn't fit my hand "just right", if you know what I mean.
The Walker is new to me. I have shot a .62 for many years and actually became proficient with it.
But this new Walker is a whole 'nother ballgame.
I certainly can't hold a sight picture very long...so when I'm on, that is when that gun goes off!
If I don't, the barrel starts drooping down....I sure can't hold it out with one hand for very long!
Not sure how this going to work out. I suspect I'm going to have to learn to trust my wobbles a little more.