Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Craftsmanship => Gun Building and Repair => Topic started by: ridjrunr on March 27, 2020, 09:29:26 PM
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Its a GM 3/4"x12"x.40 and will use the cap lock off my Pedersoli rifle that I converted to flint.
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Number 71?
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[ Invalid Attachment ] Yes, I really like what it did today. I initially went at it with chisels and was making stabbing in cuts. But then thought, this is only a 3/4" barrel so half depth is only 3/8, lets see what that 71 can do. My side flats are .300 tall so I did a hair over .700 wide by .150 deep, then put in a different cutter and centered it and cut .287 wide( cutter width) & stopped at .350 deep for the night.
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I may take it another .005-.010 deep and then chisel out the 45s on each side.
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Lookin' good! :hairy :applaud
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If I knew how to do stuff like that, I would probably have more guns.
But what do I need more guns for when I don't shoot any more?
The eternal questions.
John
PS Looking good so far.
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Very nice...… your project takes me back to the first frontstuffer I ever had, ca.1967.
I made a caplock pistol, using the cutoff 8" section of a .444 Marlin barrel and a huge (8"x 12"x 2-1/2") walnut.
I fashioned a breechplug, threading the rear of the barrel for a short section from the head of a large stovebolt that I had welded a 3" long piece of one side of a hunk of angle iron for shaping into a tang.
The lock came from the junkbox of an older gunsmith I was acquainted with ($5), and I adapted a long tang SxS shotgun triggerguard ($3) to use on the pistol.
Those were the days...………. :pray:
Funny story on how I got the walnut, back when I was thinking about doing the project:
One day, while working "on the road", I happened by a woodshop housed in an old brick building - and so stopped to see if they had anything good available.
Just inside the door was a huge pile of thick (the size is above) wooden blocks with a walnut veneer on both sides of a walnut core ! :applaud
The woodshop owner told me that the pile came about after he told a young apprentice to cut up a large old veneered desk, not realizing that the desk actually had a walnut core. ::)
He only realized it when the odor of smoking walnut drifted back to his office, but by the time he got to the apprentice, it was too late. ;banghead;
He said I could have as many blocks as I wanted for $1 each. :toast
I bought only 4 :Doh!
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Veneer hidding the treasure, eh?
Thats crazy :o
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Gonna be interesting seeing how that knot plays in, ridjrunr,,, and I have no doubt it's gonna work out just fine! :hairy
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Ca glue just cause I dont want to throw it away.
I guess worse case, cut off and use a shorter barrel
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Ca glue just cause I dont want to throw it away.
I guess worse case, cut off and use a shorter barrel
Just a mention; Don't rule out the two part 5 Minute - "5 Ton Clear Epoxy"
It's a work horse, and works great in areas never seen... Just thought I'd mention it. A good application for it IMHO (and if needed) would be to glue the knot in place and after it dries completely - drill little holes in it and squirt Super Glue into those holes then drive a round tooth pick into the hole(s) before the glue dries... :shake
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I'll keep that in mind Joe,thanks for the input. I'm not sure where that thing is going to end up. Probably on the top edge of the barrel channel ;banghead; I like carachter so if it holds together it will be a plus.
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More things learned, next to determine length and shape of tang and finish inletting. The onto a barrel lug,dovetail cut etc. [ Invalid Attachment ] [ Invalid Attachment ] [ Invalid Attachment ]
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Looking Good!!! :hairy
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I'm imagining a craftsman doing that in the 1750s using only hand tools, incredible!
Great job, Ridjrunr! :hairy
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Thanks, So far a jointer, bandsaw & planer has been used on the wood and I did mount breechplug in my lathe to trim the face.
All inletting is with hand tools wood mallet and chisels.
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Slow but steady. Barrel tenons made from snow sled runner "T" stock :laffing
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I like it Dan! That's the way to go IMHO, make what you can yourself just like the old days. :hairy
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Slow but steady progress, I got the lock re asembled this eve and will continue inletting. This part is pretty time comsuming,especially since its a first for me.
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I think it's looking really good Dan! :hairy
I've still yet to start my pistol project... Had a couple other projects to take care of (refinished a couple rifle stocks), so the pistol project is getting closer. :shake
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong ( around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.( wasnt even close) I chose not to do what was neccessary to put a bandaid on this. Instead, I knew that the flint and cap lock plate was the same for the Pedersoli lock I was useing. So, I purchased a new lock and will build it as a flintlock. Lesson learned.! Also,my furlough from work ended so I havent had as much time to work on it.
Anyways, this is where its at, the lock inlet and simple trigger inlet. More to come
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That had to be frustrating, what was the option for the fix if it was to remain a capper?
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Oh no Jim, Im making it a flintlock now as the lockplate is identicle. I will replace the drum with a liner
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Dan, sorry to hear you ran into that trouble. Now that you're a talking flintlock pistol - I just might have to dig into that pistol stock blank and get that flintlock pistol started (even though I probably won't be able to hit squat with it, but who knows - a'little (lot's of a'little) practice,,, why I might just surprise myself??? Good luck my friend on getting that pistol squared away - I know you can do it. :hairy :yessir:
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Thanks Joe, I was more concerned about the tail of plate being on centerline of wrist and front lock plate bolt hole being in the web that I never pd attention to the hammer throw vs nipple. :)
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong (around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.(Wasn't even close.)
Can you set the tang and barrel back some to alleviate the problem? I guess that could be considered a Band-Aid, or just fixing an unforeseen problem....
~Kees~
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong (around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.(Wasn't even close.)
Can you set the tang and barrel back some to alleviate the problem? I guess that could be considered a Band-Aid, or just fixing an unforeseen problem....
~Kees~
Not really because its still a rotation problem plus barrel pins are in place already. More work than its worth plus I like flinters better anyways.
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Update, back working on pistol. Trigger bar modified and operates well, good spark. Trigger guard next.
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Wow! I've always been in awe of people who could take a stick of wood and turn it into functional work of art! :bow
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Little by little it’s coming along
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An excellent labor of love - nice work ! :bow :bow :applaud
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An excellent labor of love - nice work ! :bow :bow :applaud
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Thanks Pete let us know how that mountain rifle shoots. :*:
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Very nice.
I'm still waiting on my Fowler kit from sitting fox.
Just hope my first time looks as good as yours.
Kevin
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Thanks Kevin, it’s been a slow go, had rotator cuff surgery Oct 30 plus a bicep tendon re attach, thus the delays.
But I had projects in various stages so after 10-12 weeks I could do a little in the shop. Also started a Leman rifle that I had been gathering things for. That will be in another thread soon.
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Most things are in its place. Need to thin and polish the trigger guard, make and add a side plate and install rr pipes. Then I can start shaping to finish. It is all operational after today.
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Two more shots
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From someone who has problems getting tips on ramrods properly, this is amazing! Looking forward to updates.
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong (around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.(Wasn't even close.)
I did the same thing for the same reason on a rifle... that was two years ago... still look at it every day trying to decide how to fix it... the flintlock was a good option... just not for me.
I don't recall seeing any warnings in any of my books about that either. :Doh!
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong (around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.(Wasn't even close.)
I did the same thing for the same reason on a rifle... that was two years ago... still look at it every day trying to decide how to fix it... the flintlock was a good option... just not for me.
I don't recall seeing any warnings in any of my books about that either. :Doh!
Is that a kit or from scratch?
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After finishing inletting the caplock, I discovered the rotation of the lock was wrong (around the axis of the drum)and the hammer would not reach the nipple.(Wasn't even close.)
I did the same thing for the same reason on a rifle... that was two years ago... still look at it every day trying to decide how to fix it... the flintlock was a good option... just not for me.
I don't recall seeing any warnings in any of my books about that either. :Doh!
Is that a kit or from scratch?
Used to be able to get percussion hammer blanks of various "throws",.... all one needed was the measurement from the center of the tumbler to the center of the nipple when ordering.
I can't remember if I got them from Dixie, or TOTW,.... had to drill the hole (in the hammer) for the tapered tumbler shaft and then square it up with a small 3-cornered file for a proper taper fit (could be done in about an hour of filing and test fitting). :bl th up
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Great job on yer pistol, Dan! :bl th up :*:
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Great job on yer pistol, Dan! :bl th up :*:
Thanks Rob, it’s been a challenge to consistently stay working on it and it’s definitely taking longer than it should. But it’s fine and I have done other projects at the same time. A surgery delay didn't help and when I went back to work I was immediately put on mandatory overtime so there’s that too. Tomorrow I’ll get a few hrs in on it I hope.