Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Ohio Joe on May 19, 2020, 06:20:06 PM
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This is the reason we do not use Pyrodex in a flintlock...
I was really surprised he actually got it to shoot - but watch the video... And, there's no wrecks, just wrong choice of powder for a flintlock. I did message him to use real black powder...
Also, he did message me back and told me he did get some real black powder and tried his rifle again and was amazed at the ignition speed.
https://youtu.be/TnGMtdy5YgE
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... and a reason to vet sources of information and data.
that poor feller is The Worst source of flintlock info i've seen yet.
;banghead; :Doh! 8)
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The BS about muzzle loaders on youtube is just amazing. Perhaps I need to do some youtube videos to counter act some of the misinformation being spread?
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The BS about muzzle loaders on youtube is just amazing. Perhaps I need to do some youtube videos to counter act some of the misinformation being spread?
Steve I was looking for the like button and it would be a great "counter".
:*:
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The BS about muzzle loaders on youtube is just amazing. Perhaps I need to do some youtube videos to counter act some of the misinformation being spread?
I bet they'd learn a'lot from you Steve! :hairy
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I have never seen such consistently slow ignition on a flinter. It was really kind of comical. The really funny part is that the guy is stupid enough to put that on you tube. I was thinking that if 144 people with his brain power were sitting around talking, you would have gross ignorance. :bigsmile:
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I have never seen such consistently slow ignition on a flinter. It was really kind of comical. The really funny part is that the guy is stupid enough to put that on you tube. I was thinking that if 144 people with his brain power were sitting around talking, you would have gross ignorance. :bigsmile:
:lol sign :bl th up
To be honest, I was extremely surprised he made paper twice... :o
That must be one of them there flinters you can pull the trigger, lay it down and go make a pot of coffee, come back / pick it up / and hold on target for when the shot goes off. :laffing
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He might not know much about flinters but he's an experienced shooter. I was watching his muzzle and he held it quite steady through those long ignitions. Tough to do shooting from your hind legs.
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He might not know much about flinters but he's an experienced shooter. I was watching his muzzle and he held it quite steady through those long ignitions. Tough to do shooting from your hind legs.
Very true Hank... I will give him credit for his follow through. I have my doubts I could hold on target that long after pulling the trigger.
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I did not think pyodex would work in a flint lock, after watching I will stick to BP
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I did not think pyodex would work in a flint lock, after watching I will stick to BP
it'll work OK down the tube, but not in the pan. this is where a flintlock demands the use of real black powder.
don't mean to offend, but if we're all attempting to preserve the muzzleloading past, meaning the 18th and 19th centuries in particular, that would require using real black powder.
i get it about some folks complaining it's not available locally. welcome to the new millennium's politics. the answer is mail order (while it lasts - i kid you not, unfortunately). group buys can really lower the price tag and ordering on a holiday sale will save more. i buy 25lb lots for myself, which turns out cheaper than most folks will buy a pound or two locally.
i'll leave that substitute NITRO powder crap to the inline folks. :lol sign
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I did not think pyodex would work in a flint lock, after watching I will stick to BP
it'll work OK down the tube, but not in the pan. this is where a flintlock demands the use of real black powder.
don't mean to offend, but if we're all attempting to preserve the muzzleloading past, meaning the 18th and 19th centuries in particular, that would require using real black powder.
i get it about some folks complaining it's not available locally. welcome to the new millennium's politics. the answer is mail order (while it lasts - i kid you not, unfortunately). group buys can really lower the price tag and ordering on a holiday sale will save more. i buy 25lb lots for myself, which turns out cheaper than most folks will buy a pound or two locally.
i'll leave that substitute NITRO powder crap to the inline folks. :lol sign
Even cheaper if you get a 25 lb bag instead of tins, or should I say plastic bottles now!
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I'd never doubt Rob's word on anything but... I had/have a POS T/C that was a flinter in plastic stock and advertised to shoot pryodex pellets...
I did shoot it and it did go off, but my, oh my...
I never thought to use loose pyrodex or subs in the tube and real in the pan...
Oh, it went off, but I swear even from the bench you could touch it off, bend over and retie your boot lace, then sit up and take hold of the gun afore it ignited...weren't much good for offhand with it's rather shorter bbl...
it shot quick with real BP till I took it afield...either the after Christmas season was so cold the cone shaped removable breech plug got chilled or the main charge would rotate behind the cone (tepee shaped breech) and I had two flash no booms and that did it for me... after too pffts and no boom on deer (those ops weren't that plentiful in my home area) I just gave up flintlocks and that gun just sits...
It's only saving grace was/is a removable breech plug like some in-lines... but I gave up entirely till Rob got me back into flints with a GPR....now moving to NE TN and I developed a bad gimp, coupled with no land access here, I Likely will be relegated to paper punching...
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I have(on occasion) trained BP/ML @ a BSA camp & they do not allow BP, (= so only used my "cappers" :Doh!
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a *good* flintlock gun mostly means it has a *GOOD* flint lock. such a gun is a joy to shoot because it will spark and ignite really quickly as long as real black powder is used. with a tuned jim chambers lock in the kibler colonial .54 i can get good ignition time with swiss 3f in the pan and down the tube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5a8fCAqvco
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I'm sure glad the Hodgepodge rifle has faster ignition than what that fellow had! :laffing :laffing :laffing
~Kees~
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Yes, that certainly was the wrong powder to be using, there's no doubt about it...
Kees, you'll like this;
In the past I've played around with 1fg Meteor Black Powder (from the '70's) that was made in England as a replacement powder when Dupont had its fire...
Anyway, I've tested this powder in calibers of; .40, .45, .50, .54, and my 28ga smoothy, and have tested it in flintlock as well as in caplocks...
Now one would think that this 1fg would be slow igniting "black powder" - but it's not, it's quick!!! The only draw back to it is that it's "dirty" - however I can get 3 to 5 shots off in a .45 caliber flintlock with it before having to have to swab the barrel,,, and in my Ed Rayl .40 caliber barrel (caplock rifle) I once got 11 shots off (40 grain charge) in a row and I think I could have kept on going a bit more, but it was time to go home...
How anyone could possibly think to do a video and post it using Pyrodex in a flintlock and that "slooooooow" ignition, and to do it over and over,,, well it just puzzles the heck out'a me... But it was entertaining... :laffing
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Just got to watch the video. Kinda painful. No muzzle discipline at all when loading. And I bet ya $100 he used two patches with that second round. As easy as the first one was to load, he was probably using too thin a patch.
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I shot my June postal targets today with the Hodgepodge rifle. 70 grains of Schuetzen FFg powder behind the .45 patched round ball, and primed with FFg also, from the horn. Ignition was almost instantaneous for 14 shots. I was happy!
;D ~Kees~ ;D
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I shot my June postal targets today with the Hodgepodge rifle. 70 grains of Schuetzen FFg powder behind the .45 patched round ball, and primed with FFg also, from the horn. Ignition was almost instantaneous for 14 shots. I was happy!
;D ~Kees~ ;D
Good on you Kees!!! :hairy :yessir:
Believe it or not, I sometimes shoot that old Meteor 1fg Black Powder (made in the '70's in Britain to help with the American BP supply when Dupont had its accident) in my .45 caliber flintlocks - but I do prime it with 4fg... It actually works pretty darn good!!!
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I shot my June postal targets today with the Hodgepodge rifle. 70 grains of Schuetzen FFg powder behind the .45 patched round ball, and primed with FFg also, from the horn. Ignition was almost instantaneous for 14 shots. I was happy!
;D ~Kees~ ;D
:hairy :hairy :hairy
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I DO have FFFFg for priming, decided to prime from the horn and was pleasantly surprised how well it worked with FFg. I used to do that with 3Fg but hadn't with the 2F.
~Kees~
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from my readings, 2f would have been a luxury powder of sorts back in the 18th century, maybe early 19th as well. everyone primed and loaded from one horn. i prefer it that way, too, mostly with 3f but i still also use 1-1/2f as i always have twenty or so pounds of that flavor in the powder chest for those newfangled "modern" late 19th century guns :)
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I DO have FFFFg for priming, decided to prime from the horn and was pleasantly surprised how well it worked with FFg. I used to do that with 3Fg but hadn't with the 2F.
~Kees~
Kees, only reason I use 4fg is because I have two cans of it, and if I don't use it for that - I'm probably not going to use it at all...
Now I've primed with 3fg, 2fg, and even that old Meteor 1fg powder, and they all work just fine.
IMHO, there is no wrong choice when it comes to the 1fg, 2fg, and 3fg,,, but I wouldn't as rule load 4fg into any muzzleloading rifle - simply because of the pressure on ignition... :hairy