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Title: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on October 25, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
ALL NEW and open to ALL TMA forum registered users with NO SIGN UP FEE.  8)  :bl th up

That's right, ANYONE can enter the Postal Match ...
... just register at this, our TMA forum (Free!) ...
... and make a post here in this topic that yer gonna shoot the Postal Match (Free!) ...
... and off ya go, easy peasy!


Info about the matches will be posted here at this thread, soon ... DONE!  Read my post below ....

 :*:

Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: KDubs on October 25, 2020, 05:43:24 PM
Cool,  looking forward to joining in.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 20, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
The TMA 2021 Postal Match will start on April 1st (no foolin', seriously 8) ) and end the last day of October.

ANYONE can enter the monthly contests, there are no match fees.  Submit a completed target face type for just one month, or a group of selective months, or all seven months - totally your call !

Trad muzzleloaders only, .31 to .75 in bore, iron sights, lead balls/bullets.  Long gun or pistol (either rifled or smoothbore), any traditional ignition system (flintlock, percussion, match lock, wheel lock) are all welcome.

You can use multiple trad muzzleloaders - it doesn't matter if one month you shoot a rifled long gun and another month you shoot a smoothbore pistol, or that you shoot at two target face types within a month and for each target face type a different firearm is used.  All that matters is that a firearm that meets the rules standards (shown above) is employed.  Lots of choices!

There are no "classes", run what ya brung, we all compete as one happy trad muzzleloader fun lovin' group.



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QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THE 2021 POSTAL MATCH

1.  Make a post in this thread that you will be shooting in the TMA Postal Match.

2.  Print and/or buy your target(s), mount each target with cardboard backing (this will allow the cleanest bullet holes).

Print out the TMA Bullseye target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tma821.pdf

Print out the TMA Specialty Mike Fink target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tmamf21.pdf

3.  Pick one or more months to shoot.

4.  Shoot for score!

5.  Submit your best scored target face by emailing an image of it to: score@TradMLA.org. Targets must be filled out with name, date, rifle or smoothbore, flint or percussion, caliber, and the total score.  All scored targets must be email dated no later than the last day of the month the face was scored. 

Scored target faces are posted in this thread - http://tradmla.org/tmaf/index.php?topic=25697.msg234058#msg234058

6.  That's it!


For more match details, see below!

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TARGET FACES ...

There are LOTS of CHOICES for which target face type you wish to shoot and submit for your monthly score.

There are TWO face TYPES - the TMA bullseye and the NRA bullseye. 

Only one face TYPE for score submitted each month. 

You can shoot both target face types multiple times, but submit only one of each face TYPE for score, or only one face type for score - your call. 

For example, you decide to shoot both the printed TMA bullseye AND the NRA bullseye - you can submit the best scoring face for each face type.  OR, you can only submit the best scoring face of just one of the target face types, either the TMA target face or the NRA target face.  Your call. 

Or, you may wish to only shoot the TMA bullseye - shoot as many of those faces as you like, but submit only one face for score ... dittos for the NRA bullseye face.  Again, your call. 

On a monthly basis, the choice of target face TYPE to shoot and submit for score is entirely up to you.

NOTE:  You must have shot the target face you are submitting within the month of submission.  If you shot a target face in April, it can only be submitted in April.

You do not have to submit any target face types for score every month.  You can shoot just one month of the match and submit just one target face for score. 

All up to what you wish to do.  This is a very flexible postal match that allows you to compete just one month, or multiple months, or all seven months.

There will be monthly winners for each of the two face types, and an overall year winner for each face type, too. 

The more months you submit a target face type, the higher your year's aggregate score will be for that target face type.

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---> As usual, all targets are to be shot offhand at a measured 25 yards, five shots per target.

---> Bullet holes must completely break a scoring line to count for the higher value.

All target faces Must be secured to a cardboard backing - stapled, taped, glued, whatever - target faces must be held Tight to the backing as this will insure clean holes that all can see. There WILL be forthcoming holes in your target faces, right???   ;D

Submit your best scored target face by emailing an image of it to: score@TradMLA.org. Targets must be filled out with name, date, rifle or smoothbore, flint or percussion, caliber, and the total score.  All scored targets must be email dated no later than the last day of the month the face was scored.

Down below please find links to two of the target faces (the TMA bullseye and the TMA Mike Fink) we'll be using.  Just print the target faces out.  Don't have a printer?  Copy the two target face files to a thumb drive and bring it either to a friend (with a printer!) or a library or Staples, and have a few copies printed. 

The second and OPTIONAL NRA bullseye face must be purchased.  It's the NRA TQ-4 or TQ-4(P) (100 yard small bore target face, but will be shot at the same 25 yards).  We've added in this store bought target face for folks who don't have access to a printer or just would prefer shooting an official NRA target face.

The SPECIALTY target face is the printout "Mike Fink" that's pretty much a TMA yearly tradition.  It will be announced which one month that face will be shot.  We may decide to shoot that target as a two man team effort, more on this later.

Let's have some 2021 fun for a change!  :wave  :shake  :*:

PLEASE POST ON THIS THREAD IF YOU WILL SHOOT AT LEAST ONE MONTH OF NEXT YEAR'S SEVEN MONTHLY MATCHES

Print out the TMA Bullseye target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tma821.pdf

Print out the TMA Specialty Mike Fink target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tmamf21.pdf

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TMA Bullseye (Do NOT print the below image out for match use, it's for informational purposes only)
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NRA TQ4 Bullseye (Do NOT print the below image out for match use, it's for informational purposes only)
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Mike Fink Specialty (Do NOT print the below image out for match use, it's for informational purposes only)
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Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Nessmuk on November 21, 2020, 01:11:45 AM
I'm in, for all of them, again.  :applaud
Clarification 1:  in paragraph  3, you said you can only post one target face but in paragraph  6 you say you can submit 2 target faces.
Clarification  2: the  distance  is 25 yards even for the NRA 100 yard target face.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 21, 2020, 06:29:22 AM
I'm in, for all of them, again.  :applaud
Clarification 1:  in paragraph  3, you said you can only post one target face but in paragraph  6 you say you can submit 2 target faces.
Clarification  2: the  distance  is 25 yards even for the NRA 100 yard target face.

I'm in too!   :wave

The NRA 100 face is used as one of the target face choices, but all target fact types are to be shot offhand at 25 yards.

I've reworded the section on target face types, please let us know if it makes better sense, thanx!

r.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
I'll be shooting, too, it's going to be fun!
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Maven on November 21, 2020, 01:47:21 PM
A welcome change, Rob! :hairy
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 02:52:31 PM
Hey Rob, am I understanding this correctly? April comes around and I intend to shoot and submit targets, both TMA and NRA, for each of the seven months for the rifle aggregate. I would be able to shoot both face types, as many times as I want. Say I shoot a total of ten bulls, five of each. I can cherry pick from the ten and submit/download one TMA and one NRA target for my April score. If this is correct, the scores will most likely be hair-splitters decided by X counts. Suppose someone shoots a TMA face and scores 96-5X , and a 90-3X. He submits the 96 for April. Can he hold the 90 and submit it for May? Please know that no criticism is implied or intended, I just want to know how to do it so I can fairly compete. Thanks!
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 21, 2020, 03:43:17 PM
Hey Rob, am I understanding this correctly? April comes around and I intend to shoot and submit targets, both TMA and NRA, for each of the seven months for the rifle aggregate. I would be able to shoot both face types, as many times as I want. Say I shoot a total of ten bulls, five of each. I can cherry pick from the ten and submit/download one TMA and one NRA target for my April score. If this is correct, the scores will most likely be hair-splitters decided by X counts. Suppose someone shoots a TMA face and scores 96-5X , and a 90-3X. He submits the 96 for April. Can he hold the 90 and submit it for May? Please know that no criticism is implied or intended, I just want to know how to do it so I can fairly compete. Thanks!

In essence, yes, you are correct ... and that means the TMA 2021 Postal Match is a total and complete honor system.

This is quite unlike the partial honor system of before where you received in the mail an official uniquely stamped target face, and after punching holes in it you mailed back that completed target face for official scoring by the Match Director.  There are pluses and minuses with that Match methodology, but no matter what there is still an element of an honor system that is required (but still could be circumvented).

SO for our 2021 matach, yes, you could shoot lots of target faces in April and submit one face type for that month and another for May and so on.  We have no control over that. 

Good point!  We ask that submitted target faces be shot in the same month as their submission.  I'll add that to the rules!

There are pluses and minuses with any postal match methodology, but no matter what there is still an element of an honor system that is required.



Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on November 21, 2020, 04:24:24 PM
NOTE:  You must have shot the target face you are submitting within the month of submission.  If you shot a target face in April, it can only be submitted in April.

Like Rob said though, it's strictly an honor system so if a person hangs on to the second best target for use in another month there isn't really much Rob can do about it....

Oh, and I'm in!  :bigsmile:

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 05:00:13 PM
Merely a suggestion, but it might be fairer if a shooter who decided to shoot both target faces each month would put one of each target on the backer and then fire five at each bull. His submission would be to either submit one or both bulls. That would show what he or she was able to do that day that month, the day he "shot the match." Just like in a shoulder to shoulder match, no redos, no cherry picking. One and done. Just a thought. Five shots on one TMA bull each month is what I'm going to do. My average over the seven months will, show me how well, or not, I can shoot.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 21, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
What really would be best, but clearly impractical, is to have a large cardboard backer with 8 faces - 7 of one type (let's say the TMA bullseye) and the 1 Mike Fink.  In April, submit an image of the entire backer with all faces, and 1 face will be shot up.  In May, put up that same backer and shoot another face, image the entire backer for posting.  Again, impractical due to the unwieldy backer size and having it lugged around for over half a year.

On another tack, maybe it's best to narrow this match down a notch to one face, the printed TMA bullseye ... ?

f.



Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 05:54:19 PM
Yes, I think that's a good idea.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 21, 2020, 05:58:00 PM
Merely a suggestion, but it might be fairer if a shooter who decided to shoot both target faces each month would put one of each target on the backer and then fire five at each bull. His submission would be to either submit one or both bulls. That would show what he or she was able to do that day that month, the day he "shot the match." Just like in a shoulder to shoulder match, no redos, no cherry picking. One and done. Just a thought. Five shots on one TMA bull each month is what I'm going to do. My average over the seven months will, show me how well, or not, I can shoot.

That's a fair concept that makes sense and to a degree would make the match a tad "fairer".  But given the enormity of this match's honor system from multiple perspectives, it might be added work for naught.  Also, at some ranges there can be only one target aiming spot.

There are so many ways to, er, circumvent postal match rules that i don't think it would matter much, but a great suggestion none the less!  :bow  :shake  :*:
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
By "good idea" I was referring to your thought to use just the TMA target. Perhaps a simple way to do it would be to: 1 print your TMA target, 2 put it on a backer, 3 measure 25 yards back, 4 toe the line, 5 shoot at it 5 times, 6 score it and notate the shooter's info, 7post the image online. Do this only once for each month that you want to compete and/or to have your scores tallied for the aggregate. Good scores and not so good ones will come out in the wash. Sure, cheaters can find many ways to cheat, but I bet 99.9% of the competitors will do it right. Hope this might help you as you work through this tough job as head honcho of the postal shoots.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 21, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
Let's take a member survey ...

What are your preferences for target faces?

(1) TMA print out

-or-

(2) NRA store bought

???

r.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on November 21, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
TMA print out is my preference. Nothing to buy and cheap and easy to either print at home or photocopy from one master.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 22, 2020, 06:55:32 AM
The concern is with printing out the TMA target face. 

How many folks have printers these days?

There might also be the quality of the printed target face.

I'd really like to hear from more folks about this target face business.

r.


Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on November 22, 2020, 07:58:40 AM
Personally, I would prefer the TQ-4P NRA target. I get mine from

https://www.pistoleer.com/shooting-targets/rifle/

and they are a quality target and way cheaper then printing your own targets at home. ($17.54 for 100 TQ-4 Targets shipped to your door)... Do the math. You can't buy ink cartridges and paper for that.

If you prefer you can buy; 25, 50, or 75, and it will still be cheaper then ink cartridges, obviously...

Aside from the huge savings in ink cartridges, these TQ-4P targets are all uniform in size and color.

And - your ball cuts a very good easy scoring hole which is a very big plus.

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The concern is with printing out the TMA target face.

How many folks have printers these days?

There might also be the quality of the printed target face.

I'd really like to hear from more folks about this target face business.

All very good concerns for sure...

How many folks have printers these days?
Personally, I'm down to one printer, but at $35.00 + for both the (black and color) ink cartridges, I'll buy my targets. I'll never print another target - just way to expensive in the long run... And even in the short run...  :shake

Sorry, but the; "Nothing to buy and cheap" is simply not the case I'd bet for most folks, if any.

 
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: KDubs on November 22, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
Well print out or store bought I'm in either way.
 
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Nessmuk on November 22, 2020, 03:56:15 PM
I'd prefer  the TMA print out, simply because I have a laser printer.
But like KDub said " I'm in it either way.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on November 23, 2020, 02:06:34 PM
I believe we are over-thinking this; after all, it's just a fun match for us to get out and shoot.  I vote we leave it the way it is, you pick the target you want to use whether you print it out or buy it.  Just go out to the range starting April first and burn some powder, and we'll see who does the best.

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.

I'm looking forward to April already, have to practice dry firing this winter to get an edge up for when I get out to the range!  And thank you Rob, for putting this on and putting up with all our suggestions!

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 23, 2020, 02:23:06 PM
The 2021 TMA Postal Match rules will be used as already defined (and left unchanged) in this thread's #3 post ....

http://tradmla.org/tmaf/index.php?topic=25389.msg231320#msg231320

... let's make boom, fire 'n' smoke and just have FUN! :bl th up
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: SharpStick on November 23, 2020, 06:21:21 PM
Count me in.   :hairy  It's become an addiction.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on November 23, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
I'm in as well. Good way to play with some different rifles.  :shake
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Nessmuk on November 24, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
Is it April yet?  ;banghead;  ;banghead;
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on November 25, 2020, 03:10:25 PM
... let's make boom, fire 'n' smoke and just have FUN! :bl th up

 :yessir:  :lol sign
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 25, 2020, 05:32:40 PM
Well, I do have a pretty good printer.  Print,  scan, copy and fax.  A large ink for black seems to last nearly forever.
Personally, I would just as soon print the targets, but as Joe says, the preprinted targets are cheap enough.
Another thing to take into consideration is that you are just printing a few targets at a time, not a whole slew of them.  I think in the grand scheme of things, the cost of printing targets is as nothing.
So, my vote is either way you want to run it.  Of course, not shooting much, my vote really isn't worth much.

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on November 25, 2020, 06:07:44 PM
Well, I do have a pretty good printer.  Print,  scan, copy and fax.  A large ink for black seems to last nearly forever.
Personally, I would just as soon print the targets, but as Joe says, the preprinted targets are cheap enough.
Another thing to take into consideration is that you are just printing a few targets at a time, not a whole slew of them.  I think in the grand scheme of things, the cost of printing targets is as nothing.
So, my vote is either way you want to run it.  Of course, not shooting much, my vote really isn't worth much.

John (Bigsmoke)

All voices count here at TMA, thank you!

As noted above in the match rules post, the 2021 TMA Postal Match will feature "shooter's choice" ...

!*!*!*! SHOOT EITHER THE "YOU PRINT" TMA TARGET FACE or the PREPRINTED NRA TARGET FACE or SHOOT 'EM BOTH !*!*!*!


The Mike Fink target face will be shot once, during one announced month - also OPTIONAL.


Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: KDubs on November 26, 2020, 09:04:58 AM
 I'm just looking forward to the 10,000$ prize for being TMA grand champion...
 thats a thing right ??
 
  well, off to print some TMA targets, thats what i'll use.
 cheers kevin
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on December 02, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
...

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.
...

~Kees~

This is a very good point and I like it lots.  It could also mean that competitors would not have to post images, which may impose some technical issues on their end - they could email target face images direct to me and I'd post them.  There might be the concern that I would alter scored target faces, but each competitor would have their scored face image to post and refute what I've posted - a check and balance of sorts. 

I'm going to amend the rules to use your recommendation for scored target submission, only all will go to my TMA email address.

Thank ye, Kees!!  :toast  :wave

Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 03, 2020, 07:01:25 AM
...

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.
...

~Kees~

This is a very good point and I like it lots.  It could also mean that competitors would not have to post images, which may impose some technical issues on their end - they could email target face images direct to me and I'd post them.  There might be the concern that I would alter scored target faces, but each competitor would have their scored face image to post and refute what I've posted - a check and balance of sorts. 

I'm going to amend the rules to use your recommendation for scored target submission, only all will go to my TMA email address.

Thank ye, Kees!!  :toast  :wave

I would also like to suggest the following;

I feel the shooter should be required to "make the attempt" at scoring their own target on turning it in (posting it to you) as everyone taking part, should know our TMA scoring rules, and how to score a target they shot...

I only bring this up as I've seen 4 years + of targets turned in that you just have to make a judgement call on as even the "shooter" themselves, had no idea what they shot because they choose not to follow the directions of a "cardboard backer" for their target...  :Doh!

Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on December 03, 2020, 07:09:50 AM
...

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.
...

~Kees~

This is a very good point and I like it lots.  It could also mean that competitors would not have to post images, which may impose some technical issues on their end - they could email target face images direct to me and I'd post them.  There might be the concern that I would alter scored target faces, but each competitor would have their scored face image to post and refute what I've posted - a check and balance of sorts. 

I'm going to amend the rules to use your recommendation for scored target submission, only all will go to my TMA email address.

Thank ye, Kees!!  :toast  :wave

I would also like to suggest the following;

I feel the shooter should be required to "make the attempt" at scoring their own target on turning it in (posting it to you) as everyone taking part, should know our TMA scoring rules, and how to score a target they shot...

I only bring this up as I've seen 4 years + of targets turned in that you just have to make a judgement call on as even the "shooter" themselves, had no idea what they shot because they choose not to follow the directions of a "cardboard backer" for their target...  :Doh!

Yes, I agree - you had mentioned that before, about the competitor scoring their target face, and that's why it was included in the target face submission rules.

Scoring their targets and cardboard target face backing is Mandatory, for sure!

 :shake
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 03, 2020, 07:17:04 AM
...

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.
...

~Kees~

This is a very good point and I like it lots.  It could also mean that competitors would not have to post images, which may impose some technical issues on their end - they could email target face images direct to me and I'd post them.  There might be the concern that I would alter scored target faces, but each competitor would have their scored face image to post and refute what I've posted - a check and balance of sorts. 

I'm going to amend the rules to use your recommendation for scored target submission, only all will go to my TMA email address.

Thank ye, Kees!!  :toast  :wave

I would also like to suggest the following;

I feel the shooter should be required to "make the attempt" at scoring their own target on turning it in (posting it to you) as everyone taking part, should know our TMA scoring rules, and how to score a target they shot...

I only bring this up as I've seen 4 years + of targets turned in that you just have to make a judgement call on as even the "shooter" themselves, had no idea what they shot because they choose not to follow the directions of a "cardboard backer" for their target...  :Doh!

Yes, I agree - you had mentioned that before, about the competitor scoring their target face, and that's why it was included in the target face submission rules.

Scoring their targets and cardboard target face backing is Mandatory, for sure!

 :shake

 :Doh!

Sorry Rob, I missed that (forgot) or dozed, off when reading the rules again... I've been up since 3:30 am, just couldn't sleep last night...  :Doh!

'bout nap time now... :laffing :shake
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on December 03, 2020, 07:52:48 AM
...

I will suggest that we send the photo or scan of the target to Rob in a PM, and that they don't get posted to the website until that month's shooting is over.  I say this because otherwise some of us may get discouraged and not shoot if we see several very good targets already shot.
...

~Kees~

This is a very good point and I like it lots.  It could also mean that competitors would not have to post images, which may impose some technical issues on their end - they could email target face images direct to me and I'd post them.  There might be the concern that I would alter scored target faces, but each competitor would have their scored face image to post and refute what I've posted - a check and balance of sorts. 

I'm going to amend the rules to use your recommendation for scored target submission, only all will go to my TMA email address.

Thank ye, Kees!!  :toast  :wave

I would also like to suggest the following;

I feel the shooter should be required to "make the attempt" at scoring their own target on turning it in (posting it to you) as everyone taking part, should know our TMA scoring rules, and how to score a target they shot...

I only bring this up as I've seen 4 years + of targets turned in that you just have to make a judgement call on as even the "shooter" themselves, had no idea what they shot because they choose not to follow the directions of a "cardboard backer" for their target...  :Doh!

Yes, I agree - you had mentioned that before, about the competitor scoring their target face, and that's why it was included in the target face submission rules.

Scoring their targets and cardboard target face backing is Mandatory, for sure!

 :shake

 :Doh!

Sorry Rob, I missed that (forgot) or dozed, off when reading the rules again... I've been up since 3:30 am, just couldn't sleep last night...  :Doh!

'bout nap time now... :laffing :shake

OH!  How I know that sleepless feeling!  :Doh!   :scared:  ;banghead;  ;D
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on December 03, 2020, 06:35:52 PM
I've been up since 3:30 am, just couldn't sleep last night...  :Doh!

Welcome to MY world!   :laffing :laffing :laffing  Ain't retirement fun?

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 03, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
I've been up since 3:30 am, just couldn't sleep last night...  :Doh!

Welcome to MY world!   :laffing :laffing :laffing  Ain't retirement fun?

~Kees~

I have to say, it does pave the way for an afternoon nap...  :laffing  Which I took!!!  :hairy
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on March 08, 2021, 02:59:27 PM
Is it April yet???  I have the TMA target printed out, have my cardboard backer, need to bring my 100' tape to make sure the 25 yard range at the club really IS 25 yards.  I also need to get out in the near future with the PA Hunter to make sure she hits where I aim (another excuse for going shooting).  Yeppers, I am READY!

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: dmarsh on March 17, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
OK as an old simple minded fool who likes to keep things simple this is what I think I read with all of these posts.
1)  I can shoot the TMA Face target once a month on a cardboard backer.  Email it in the same month.  Same one each month as it is up to me.
2)  Same rules as last year on calibers (.31 - .75)  Pistols, rifles/smoothbores my choice and can vary month to month.
3)  Distance from the target at 25 yards..
4)  I should attempt to score my own target.
5)  It says not to print  the target in this posting  so which ones do I print?
6)  What about the Mike Fink target -- maybe I missed a post.  When are we still shooting it in July and do we need a partner?
7)  Count me in.

And for the retirement record I sleep like a baby 8 hours a night (11PM to 7AM).  Love retirement. :bigsmile: :hairy

Dave

Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: KDubs on March 17, 2021, 11:40:16 AM
I'm confused,  what is this RETIREMENT you guys speak of ??  ha.
 I only work 98 days a yr so i guess I'm almost there.
 Looking forward to some friendly competition.
kevin
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on March 17, 2021, 11:48:00 AM
Kevin, retirement is kind a hard to explain - but the short answer is; (and it happens) when we're looking for something - eventually we find we've been carrying it around in one of our pockets, or in our hand... Eventually we find it after asking the wife if she's seen...........  :Doh!
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on March 17, 2021, 01:09:04 PM
....
5)  It says not to print  the target in this posting  so which ones do I print?
6)  What about the Mike Fink target -- maybe I missed a post.  When are we still shooting it in July and do we need a partner?
....

5) I will be posting target images, and in a separate thread.
6) I will announce which month that one target will be shot - no partner needed.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: dmarsh on March 17, 2021, 04:11:30 PM
OK.  Thanks.   :yessir: :hairy
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 01, 2021, 01:45:58 PM
Just joined to shoot the match
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 01, 2021, 02:43:57 PM
Just joined to shoot the match

Hi Ron!  :wave

Thanx for joining and we hope you'll enjoy our new TMA Postal Match!   :bl th up

Please don't hesitate to contact me directly with any questions or comments.  :shake

Cheers,
Rob.
 :*:
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 01, 2021, 02:59:36 PM
5) I will be posting target images, and in a separate thread.

Hey, it's April today!  Where is this thread of which you write?  I Am Ready!!!  :applaud

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 01, 2021, 03:14:11 PM
5) I will be posting target images, and in a separate thread.

Hey, it's April today!  Where is this thread of which you write?  I Am Ready!!!  :applaud

~Kees~


If you've got scored target faces to have posted ....

5.  Submit your best scored target face by emailing an image of it to: score@TradMLA.org . Targets must be filled out with name, date, rifle or smoothbore, flint or percussion, caliber, and the total score.  All scored targets must be email dated no later than the last day of the month the face was scored.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on April 02, 2021, 06:37:34 PM
Yeah, it was April fool's day all right. My corner of Ohio went from days in the 60's to freezing and flurries on the 1st! Topping it off,the Reds lost the opener. So much for getting out there on day one to shoot the postal.  Next week it is supposed to be in the mid 70's, so I'm hoping to throw five lead balls down range then, but no promises.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 02, 2021, 07:22:34 PM
Sorta the same here in upper Jersey where after some days bordering on 70s this morning was in the low 20s and windy.  Brrrr.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 05, 2021, 10:17:02 AM
Rob,

I'm sorry to have to admit it but I don't seem to be as computer-literate as I thought I was.  You said that there would be a post with a thread to the targets we are to use, but I don't see it.  Could you post a link so I can get out there and burn some powder?  :bl th up

Also, there seems to be new traffic in the child board to this forum, but when I click on it I get a message that I have already seen all the posts there.  If the targets are in there someplace I (again) can't find it....

Thank ye kindly,
~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 05, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
Rob,

I'm sorry to have to admit it but I don't seem to be as computer-literate as I thought I was.  You said that there would be a post with a thread to the targets we are to use, but I don't see it.  Could you post a link so I can get out there and burn some powder?  :bl th up

Also, there seems to be new traffic in the child board to this forum, but when I click on it I get a message that I have already seen all the posts there.  If the targets are in there someplace I (again) can't find it....

Thank ye kindly,
~Kees~


Print out the TMA Bullseye target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tma821.pdf

Print out the TMA Specialty Mike Fink target face for match shooting - http://tradmla.org/postal21/tmamf21.pdf

Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 05, 2021, 06:45:20 PM
Super, that was what I was getting at.  Thank you muchly!   :yessir:

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 05, 2021, 06:48:29 PM
Super, that was what I was getting at.  Thank you muchly!   :yessir:

~Kees~


 :hairy   :yessir:
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 06, 2021, 01:59:38 PM
"No Powder" (Tom) has thrown his hat in the TMA 2021 Postal Match!  :bl th up
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: shootrj2003 on April 06, 2021, 11:20:39 PM
 I think I’ll take a stab at this match,this will be new to me,Normally this time of year ,as I’m the Capt of my clubs rifle team,we’re finishing up our Sporterifle season,however we did not shoot this year due to COVID,so I could use some shooting practice,maybe another of my team might be persuaded to join us too,we’re used too .22 rimfire comp. but we Can adapt.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 07, 2021, 07:02:07 AM
I think I’ll take a stab at this match,this will be new to me,Normally this time of year ,as I’m the Capt of my clubs rifle team,we’re finishing up our Sporterifle season,however we did not shoot this year due to COVID,so I could use some shooting practice,maybe another of my team might be persuaded to join us too,we’re used too .22 rimfire comp. but we Can adapt.

Great!  The more, the merrier!   :hairy
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: 10thumbs on April 21, 2021, 07:52:19 AM
 I think I'll try it. Just one question, why the .31 cal low limit on bore size?
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 21, 2021, 12:35:11 PM
I think I'll try it. Just one question, why the .31 cal low limit on bore size?

I knew there had to be a valid reason and Joe just told me - much less than .30 bore and that opens the easy door to those who might be tempted to use a .22 rimfire gun.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: 10thumbs on April 21, 2021, 08:33:43 PM
  OK. Temptation ought to be saved for more important things anyhow.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: 10thumbs on April 22, 2021, 09:16:17 AM
  I do have another question. How do you figure the score?
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 22, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
  I do have another question. How do you figure the score?

---> Bullet holes must completely break a scoring line to count for the higher value.

You can also review the current posted targets ...

http://tradmla.org/tmaf/index.php?topic=25697.msg234058#msg234058
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 23, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
Just looked at Joe's target and all I can say is: Dang Joe, file down that front sight a mite!   :lol sign  It looks like a proper group, just needs to go up a bit.  There is always next month.   :bigsmile:

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on April 24, 2021, 01:09:17 AM
Yes, the front sight needs taken down just a bit. I had installed a thicker brass blade sight (one I could see)... Good project for May. :bl th up
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 24, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
I filed mine down a bit but haven't been out to see what difference that made.... Maybe Monday, after taking the old girl dog to the vet at 0800 hours.  :pray:

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on April 24, 2021, 04:37:51 PM
Actually Kees, I was looking at the extended forecast for this coming week, and it looks like I have three very good Range Days with decent temps and little wind. 

I'm certainly hitting 2.25 inches low of my center X hold... I verified this with my 5th shot touching the 10 Ring - by holding in (what I felt was the center of the top 9 Ring for my last shot).

This is an easy fix with the file, and I "may" (if needed) tap in a little windage, but I'll correct for elevation first.

Unless a person is young and with excellent eye sight, using such generous amounts of black area on our targets available, it basically removes the "I want to be two inches high at a 25 yards Zero type thinking" as there's just too much center mass black to get a good pin point aim 2 inches low of center.

So, this rifle will be strictly a dead center Zero hold, and that's okay. I think it levels the playing field nicely, and it's good training for shooting gongs when putting size and distances into prospective.

I really like this TMA Match setup!!! And I give Rob a BIG :hairy
 

 
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 25, 2021, 07:50:05 AM
I filed mine down a bit but haven't been out to see what difference that made.... Maybe Monday, after taking the old girl dog to the vet at 0800 hours.  :pray:

~Kees~


Trust all is well with yer pup.  We just had to put one of ours down.  Very sad.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Winter Hawk on April 25, 2021, 09:06:22 PM
Meisje has a patch of skin in her left thigh where she has licked all the hair off.  I think the vet will probably say it's allergies.  She's 12 now, so I expect we'll have to have her put to sleep one of these days.  Arthritis in her hips and shoulders also.  We went for a walk yesterday of a little over a mile, and today she was totally stove up.  I took the "young" dog (who is 7 now) for a walk and she just looked at me when I asked if she wanted to go too; didn't get off her bed.

Thanks for your concern!  One of the problems with getting pets is that they don't live as long as we do, unless you get a tortoise or an elephant!

~Kees~
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on April 26, 2021, 05:46:22 AM
Dawgs is family.  :*:
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Nessmuk on April 26, 2021, 10:21:09 AM
They shore is  :bl th up :bl th up  :bl th up :bl th up
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on May 03, 2021, 06:56:20 PM
Jeez, No Powder, I'd hate to see what you could do if you poured some Goex down the tube! Nice work! :hairy
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 03, 2021, 07:31:04 PM
Nice shooting No Powder, and everyone!  :hairy

Now to get after May!!!  :shake
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Paulk on May 15, 2021, 04:42:32 PM
RobD, I’ve been sidelined from shooting the past 7 months but I’m going to ease back into it with my .36 flinter so I’ll be in going forward.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on May 15, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
RobD, I’ve been sidelined from shooting the past 7 months but I’m going to ease back into it with my .36 flinter so I’ll be in going forward.

Welcome back Paul   :wave 

Good to have you aboard  :bl th up
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on June 14, 2021, 06:07:19 PM
Hey, No Powder, I'm coming for you. I hope to shoot my June target tomorrow and it looks like all I have to get out if my five shots is 52/8X :lol sign Dirty Harry once said "a man's got to know his limitations" but I don't know about that. Stay tuned! ;banghead;
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on July 24, 2021, 10:50:27 AM
ALONG WITH THE OTHER TWO FACES (NRA AND TMA) ...

 THE MIKE FINK TARGET FACE IS TO BE SHOT AND SCORED IN AUGUST !!!
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: The Miner '49er on August 04, 2021, 09:56:46 PM
Since I have never shot a Mike Fink target I have a question.  Do any shots in the cup handle have value, and if so, how many points? This is going to be tough, for sure!
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on August 05, 2021, 05:58:49 AM
There is zero value for the handle.  Only the four bands in the cup hold positive scoring values.  Mike Fink's head hair top has a negative -10 value!

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Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: Cottonwood on September 14, 2021, 03:11:05 PM
Gonna head out and get this TMA bullseye target shot, get it done by tomorrow.
Title: Re: TMA ***2021*** Postal Matches
Post by: RobD on September 14, 2021, 03:34:09 PM
Gonna head out and get this TMA bullseye target shot, get it done by tomorrow.

My workload lately has been astronomical, but I'm hoping for a Friday morning window to hit the range and make smoothie smoke, whistles and magnatraction.  Oh.  That was Lionel.  Oops.  :laffing
Title: Kees
Post by: Winter Hawk on September 14, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
There is zero value for the handle.  Only the four bands in the cup hold positive scoring values.  Mike Fink's head hair top has a negative -10 value!

Does that mean that, if we drill him between the eyes (not the hair top), we don't get points off?   :bigsmile:  :luff:  :lol sign

~Kees~
Title: Re: Kees
Post by: RobD on September 14, 2021, 08:52:41 PM
There is zero value for the handle.  Only the four bands in the cup hold positive scoring values.  Mike Fink's head hair top has a negative -10 value!

Does that mean that, if we drill him between the eyes (not the hair top), we don't get points off?   :bigsmile:  :luff:  :lol sign

~Kees~


Yep, that is correct - don't mess with Mike's hair!   :luff: