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Craftsmanship => Antiques and Treasures => Topic started by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 05:28:11 PM

Title: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 05:28:11 PM
I picked this up yesterday on the way home from acdr apt. I knew it was at an antique shop as of a couple weeks ago and its been just simmering on my conscious.
151/4” around the outside curve and rh carry to boot. A couple small bug chews but minimal and will be sealed with beeswax.
That leather thong will be replaced with a braintan wang. The spot plug and measure are both carved of horn. Base plug of walnut i think.
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
Spout plug and measure
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: rollingb on November 14, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
That's a good lookin' old horn,.... has it been refurbished?
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
That's a good lookin' old horn,.... has it been refurbished?
No indication of that, it may just be from first half of 1900's. Eitherway, I like it alot. Later, maybe today I'll determine the amount that little measure throws.
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: rollingb on November 14, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
It looks as though it could hold pretty close to a full pound of powder.  :hairy
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 05:54:22 PM
It looks as though it could hold pretty close to a full pound of powder.  :hairy
Yes, an thats whats interesting as the measure is pretty small and if that was matched up with a small game rifle, that would have been ALOT of shooting :*:
Also, the spout hole is smaller than norm, im guessing 3/16" dia. Instead of the common, 1/4".
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: KDubs on November 14, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
nice find, I like that a lot.
 How would you date something like that. 
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 14, 2020, 08:53:57 PM

 How would you date something like that.

Maybe ask it out to dinner with you??   :luff: :luff:
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 14, 2020, 11:31:06 PM

 How would you date something like that.

Maybe ask it out to dinner with you??   :luff: :luff:

 :luff: I did and "it" was easy  :laffing
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: KDubs on November 15, 2020, 11:21:05 AM
Bah hahaha .  killing me
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 15, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
Bah hahaha .  killing me
Without provenance, one can only make an educated guess imo.
I feel this one is fairly generic, having no exact design style to pinpoint a time or place.
But looking at known examples of both true antique and contemporary horns I would guess this is probably late 19th to early to mid 20th century. This was located in south central Ks at an antique store but could have been picked about anywere. Without speaking to the vendor in the shop, I have nothing else to go on.
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: Doc Nock on November 15, 2020, 03:09:24 PM
The way some of you lads make horns today that look and function like very early ones, someone is going to play hell trying to date those in the future, eh? :wave :lol sign
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 15, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Yes, Doc,
That is why makers are encouraged to establish a touch mark and date the item.
That was always something I didn't feel I had time to do, as it would have just slowed me down more than I wanted.  I think that out of all the 1,000's of horns I made, I only put a touch mark on one of them, at the customer's insistence.  I actually bought two different horn making companies and neither of their owners had used touch marks.  So, shame on all of us.

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 15, 2020, 06:24:52 PM
The way some of you lads make horns today that look and function like very early ones, someone is going to play hell trying to date those in the future, eh? :wave :lol sign
Not sure what you are referring too?
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: Winter Hawk on November 15, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
I believe Doc is pointing out that some of the new horns are made so like the originals that, without their being dated and/or have a touch mark (as John said) they can pass as coming from the 17th, 18th or 19th centuries. 

~Kees~
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: ridjrunr on November 16, 2020, 12:13:46 PM
Oh yes,sorry,the artificial aging thing. Not a fan. I have heard that people request that as mandatory🙄
I would rather get a new horn and let it age naturally .
Sorry for the confusion
Title: Re: Nuther old horn
Post by: Doc Nock on November 16, 2020, 06:09:59 PM
I believe Doc is pointing out that some of the new horns are made so like the originals that, without their being dated and/or have a touch mark (as John said) they can pass as coming from the 17th, 18th or 19th centuries. 

~Kees~
Got that right driver!  :bl th up ;D :bigsmile: