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Title: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Puffer on February 12, 2021, 09:12:41 AM
BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS


https://claysmithguns.com/Blue_Trade_Gun.htm

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Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on February 12, 2021, 09:58:37 AM
I know lots of trade guns were milk painted in lotsa colors besides blue, too, but .... yuk ... really cheapens the looks to me. 
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on February 12, 2021, 11:06:53 AM
Trade Guns were known to be offered in several "painted" variants,.... blue, red, (sometimes with spots, vines, or lightening added), specifically for the eastern Indian Trade.  :bl th up
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 12, 2021, 12:00:32 PM
I know it's the wrong shade of blue, but wouldn't it look terribly patriotic if the stock were blue, the barrel white and the lock and all the hardware were red?  Zowie !!!

I just looked at the link on Puffer's post and I see that you too can own one of these fine blue trade guns for the princely sum of only a modest $2,850.00.  I would think shipping and handling is extra.  I am also sure you can be the first on your block to own something like this if you act immediately.  But wait, there's more.  If you act right now, they will also include a genuine English flint, complete with a certificate of authenticity, suitable for framing.  Oh, the wonder of it all.

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on February 12, 2021, 12:15:42 PM
I know it's the wrong shade of blue, but wouldn't it look terribly patriotic if the stock were blue, the barrel white and the lock and all the hardware were red?  Zowie !!!

I just looked at the link on Puffer's post and I see that you too can own one of these fine blue trade guns for the princely sum of only a modest $2,850.00.  I would think shipping and handling is extra.  I am also sure you can be the first on your block to own something like this if you act immediately.  But wait, there's more.  If you act right now, they will also include a genuine English flint, complete with a certificate of authenticity, suitable for framing.  Oh, the wonder of it all.

John (Bigsmoke)

Paint is expensive.  :laffing  :bl th up
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Two Steps on February 12, 2021, 03:11:37 PM
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I know it's the wrong shade of blue, but wouldn't it look terribly patriotic
Hey John...it is patriotic...it’s Infantry blue!  :yessir:
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Nessmuk on February 12, 2021, 03:57:24 PM
Can you imagine assembling  one of these fine weapons then the boss comes up and says " It looks fine, paint it blue."  :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: ;banghead; ;banghead; ;banghead; ;banghead;

Thank goodness ,  they're also offered stained and finished!!
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Puffer on February 12, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
 :yessir:
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: PetahW on February 12, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
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IMO, it's just as bad as a plastic stock.....  :Doh!
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on February 12, 2021, 06:33:33 PM
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IMO, it's just as bad as a plastic stock.....  :Doh!

  :hairy but ...., better than being painted "PINK".  :lol sign :toast
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on February 12, 2021, 07:18:56 PM
During that day, I'll bet the painted trade guns were the cat's meow to both the natives and young colonials, for both aesthetics and rebellion of youth.  Add in a brass serpent side plate for instant bling and spiritual karma.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Winter Hawk on February 12, 2021, 10:46:18 PM
IMO, it's just as bad as a plastic stock.....
But it is historical, as from previous centuries.  Plastic not so much!

~Kees~
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 13, 2021, 12:09:41 AM
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IMO, it's just as bad as a plastic stock.....  :Doh!

  :hairy but ...., better than being painted "PINK".  :lol sign :toast

How do you know that the pink model isn't for a woman?  Kinda like the Smith and Wesson revolvers with that color scheme?  I think I remember seeing that somewhere.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Uncle Russ on February 13, 2021, 04:15:55 AM
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I know it's the wrong shade of blue, but wouldn't it look terribly patriotic
Hey John...it is patriotic...it’s Infantry blue!  :yessir:

Yep, It's gotta be that "Infantry Blue Paint" that's so darn expensive.  :bl th up

I've read this story before, right here on this forum, some time back.
And when ya think about it, "The barrels are 20 bore (gauge) and 42" long. Weight is 7½ lbs."..... that gun, with that weight, just might make a nice "Walk about" Riflegun!....after ya painted it black, of course.

Russ...

Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: JB67 on February 13, 2021, 10:09:40 PM
Some of you think it cheapens the look, but painted guns probably held up to handling and weather better. One is also a lot less likely to lose it leaning it against a tree in the woods.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on February 13, 2021, 10:24:01 PM
Solid blue, red, yellow, etc. - not the best camouflage for game or war.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Keb on February 14, 2021, 11:05:19 AM
I remember the 1st one I painted. It took courage. That uneasy feeling goes away after a few but comes back quickly when painting one yellow. I painted a few red & blue but only one yellow.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Butler Ford 40 on February 14, 2021, 09:18:03 PM
Some of you think it cheapens the look, but painted guns probably held up to handling and weather better. One is also a lot less likely to lose it leaning it against a tree in the woods.

True enough but if kinda feels like packin' the fatest, ugliest squaw you can find cause you think no one will try and take her from you.  Still functions the same, cook, skin and tan your hides, keep you warm at night.  But you still have to wait till the fire has burned out in the teepee before ya can look at her.  ;)  ::)
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: JB67 on February 15, 2021, 08:37:36 PM
Solid blue, red, yellow, etc. - not the best camouflage for game or war.
Camouflage was not a concern, for either guns or uniforms.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on February 16, 2021, 07:18:02 AM
Solid blue, red, yellow, etc. - not the best camouflage for game or war.
Camouflage was not a concern, for either guns or uniforms.

I think the natives would beg to differ a bit, they were masters at the game of hide 'n' seek, much to the distress of the outlandishly robed redcoats.  ;D
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Oldetexian on February 16, 2021, 03:09:05 PM
Some of you think it cheapens the look, but painted guns probably held up to handling and weather better. One is also a lot less likely to lose it leaning it against a tree in the woods.

Totally agree that the paint helped the stock against rain & snow...sure didn't do much for the working parts I'm guessing...and then there's the thought that if ya had to paint your gun blue to keep from losing it in the woods...well, ya might just better keep it in your pants...just sayin' :bigsmile:
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Doc Nock on February 16, 2021, 04:37:22 PM
Some of you think it cheapens the look, but painted guns probably held up to handling and weather better. One is also a lot less likely to lose it leaning it against a tree in the woods.

Totally agree that the paint helped the stock against rain & snow...sure didn't do much for the working parts I'm guessing...and then there's the thought that if ya had to paint your gun blue to keep from losing it in the woods...well, ya might just better keep it in your pants...just sayin' :bigsmile:

YOU guys crack me up, which is much enjoyed these days!
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: JB67 on February 16, 2021, 06:20:13 PM
Solid blue, red, yellow, etc. - not the best camouflage for game or war.
Camouflage was not a concern, for either guns or uniforms.

I think the natives would beg to differ a bit, they were masters at the game of hide 'n' seek, much to the distress of the outlandishly robed redcoats.  ;D

Yet those brightly painted stocks appealed to the natives... :o
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on February 16, 2021, 06:29:13 PM
Solid blue, red, yellow, etc. - not the best camouflage for game or war.
Camouflage was not a concern, for either guns or uniforms.

I think the natives would beg to differ a bit, they were masters at the game of hide 'n' seek, much to the distress of the outlandishly robed redcoats.  ;D

Yet those brightly painted stocks appealed to the natives... :o

Yeah, the bling did at least a few in, perhaps.  ;D

The bottom line is ... it's all aesthetic subjectivity, no more or less.  There's form and there's function.  No reason a painted pony couldn't be a fine spirited ride. 

To each their own.   It's all good.  :bl th up  :*:
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Puffer on February 16, 2021, 06:30:49 PM
 :applaud :applaud :applaud
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Hanshi on February 17, 2021, 01:59:29 PM
Certainly not what one usually envisions when talking about flintlocks.  While I'd prefer a nice stain on the wood there is something sort of "appealing" about a painted one.  Just me, but I dismiss the "ugly" appellation.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
I saw a couple of these at Colonial Williamsburg years ago. They don't look that bad in person.

I asked the gunsmith about it, he basically said that the traders were just giving the customer what they wanted.
Considering the popularity of glass beads and trade silver I would say that the locals had a thing for bling.

IronHand
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Sir Michael on March 01, 2021, 07:23:11 PM
The only color I've seen in HBC records regarding paint were for Brown.  I've never figured out if it was brown paint as we think of it or brown stain.  The only hint in that regard were a load guns shipped to York Factory that were returned when the Indians brought them back with broken stocks and the gunsmith determined that the guns broke as result of glue failure in finger joints that connected several lengths of wood together to make the stock.  The letter accompanying the returned guns demanded that in the future only guns stocked with a "single" piece of wood would be accepted.  I concluded from that the joints were hidden from the inspector prior to shipment by the brown paint.

I also never saw any references to staining or varnishing the stocks.  That may be because these tasks were so inherent in completing a gun that it was never mentioned.

Where did you find the Blue painted stock references.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Puffer on March 01, 2021, 07:38:55 PM
https://claysmithguns.com/Blue_Trade_Gun.htm
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Watchmaker on March 10, 2021, 02:08:00 PM
Just my thinking so no historical reference here but the natives worship of all things nature. I can see a stock being blue would be appealing for both the blue sky and turquoise, the mineral used for jewelry making.  Yellow might reference the sun or wildflowers. Red- blood (an enemies or food) or sunset or wildflowers.

Not to mention human nature to want something no one else had. The latest fashion as it were.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Eddie Southgate on May 28, 2021, 03:07:38 PM
PASS ! :Doh!
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 28, 2021, 07:15:08 PM
Same here, Eddie... I Just can't come to terms with that color of stock or any painted stock for any reasoning... They may have had their place back in the day with the Native Americans, but I just can't
warm up to a painted stock of any color.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on May 28, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Same here, Eddie... I Just can't come to terms with that color of stock or any painted stock for any reasoning... They may have had their place back in the day with the Native Americans, but I just can't
warm up to a painted stock of any color.

+1  ... it just don't seem natural and covers up purty wood grain, no matter how ugly the wood grain  ;D
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Eddie Southgate on May 28, 2021, 10:10:46 PM
One is also a lot less likely to lose it leaning it against a tree in the woods.

 I'll give you that . If it ever comes missing in the woods it's lost though cause I can't see anyone being willing to steal it . :bigsmile: :luff:
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Eddie Southgate on May 28, 2021, 10:20:49 PM
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I know it's the wrong shade of blue, but wouldn't it look terribly patriotic
Hey John...it is patriotic...it’s Infantry blue!  :yessir:

Yep, It's gotta be that "Infantry Blue Paint" that's so darn expensive.  :bl th up

I've read this story before, right here on this forum, some time back.
And when ya think about it, "The barrels are 20 bore (gauge) and 42" long. Weight is 7½ lbs."..... that gun, with that weight, just might make a nice "Walk about" Riflegun!....after ya painted it black, of course.

Russ...

 And rifled it . Hard to be a " Riflegun" with no rifling .
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Hank in WV on May 28, 2021, 10:47:59 PM
"after ya painted it black, of course".


Then it would get banned.
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Hanshi on May 31, 2021, 02:51:40 PM
While I remain "on the fence" concerning painted guns, I've seen quite a few modern ones sporting color/colors that show up like neon.  One would certainly get you much attention at the range or at, heaven forbid, a rendezvous.   :lol sign
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Winter Hawk on May 31, 2021, 03:47:57 PM
 :hairy :hairy :hairy

~Kees~
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on May 31, 2021, 05:56:47 PM
I just bought a Type G trade gun assembled from Clay Smith parts over on the ALR site.  It has a beech stock, 47” custom 24 gauge barrel, 13 1/2” length of pull and RE Davis lock.  Everything was copied off the original at Colonial Williamsburg.  It is a very slender piece and weighs right at 6 pounds.

I have no plans to strip and paint the stock,.....

(https://i.ibb.co/bgqWJg8/186-F842-F-E28-A-4073-83-AA-5702-EA4-A75-C8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgkH1gW)

(https://i.ibb.co/T4ZcHqT/5-FE01-C27-ADB3-4-B4-D-8-F33-69-A9-CF784991.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bsx1rR3)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLwx7R2/06-F17648-F913-48-AF-A8-B2-239-E9673-A2-AA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1bRD9mW)

(https://i.ibb.co/KyFRgz4/504-E24-DE-C681-422-F-83-BD-6-E907-CA5-F617.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s3yk4Jx)
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: RobD on May 31, 2021, 06:05:49 PM
I just bought a Type G trade gun assembled from Clay Smith parts over on the ALR site.  It has a beech stock, 47” custom 24 gauge barrel, 13 1/2” length of pull and RE Davis lock.  Everything was copied off the original at Colonial Williamsburg.  It is a very slender piece and weighs right at 6 pounds.

I have no plans to strip and paint the stock,.....

(https://i.ibb.co/KyFRgz4/504-E24-DE-C681-422-F-83-BD-6-E907-CA5-F617.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s3yk4Jx)

Now that there is one Gorgeous smoothie  :hairy
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on May 31, 2021, 08:21:08 PM


Now that there is one Gorgeous smoothie  :hairy

Thanks Rob!  ;D  :shake
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Hank in WV on May 31, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
 :hairy   Me like...
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Uncle Russ on June 01, 2021, 06:38:14 PM
I just bought a Type G trade gun assembled from Clay Smith parts over on the ALR site.  It has a beech stock, 47” custom 24 gauge barrel, 13 1/2” length of pull and RE Davis lock.  Everything was copied off the original at Colonial Williamsburg.  It is a very slender piece and weighs right at 6 pounds.

I have no plans to strip and paint the stock,.....

(https://i.ibb.co/bgqWJg8/186-F842-F-E28-A-4073-83-AA-5702-EA4-A75-C8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgkH1gW)

(https://i.ibb.co/T4ZcHqT/5-FE01-C27-ADB3-4-B4-D-8-F33-69-A9-CF784991.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bsx1rR3)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLwx7R2/06-F17648-F913-48-AF-A8-B2-239-E9673-A2-AA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1bRD9mW)

(https://i.ibb.co/KyFRgz4/504-E24-DE-C681-422-F-83-BD-6-E907-CA5-F617.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s3yk4Jx)
I agree with you Rondo, only a fool would dare paint such a lovely shootin piece.
I love that "slender built" part of your description, makes for and absolutely lovely Walk-About smoothie.

Russ...
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Winter Hawk on June 01, 2021, 08:02:00 PM
I'll chip in with my admiration for that gun.  Absolutely gorgeous, you did well!

~Kees~
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: rollingb on June 01, 2021, 08:59:42 PM

I agree with you Rondo, only a fool would dare paint such a lovely shootin piece.
I love that "slender built" part of your description, makes for and absolutely lovely Walk-About smoothie.

Russ...

Thanks Russ  :shake,..... honestly, the stock is a bit "light colored" for my tastes, but if I "striped and re-stained" I'd lose the "antiquing" that was done to the stock and I find it rather attractive (at least for now).  :) :bl th up
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Eddie Southgate on June 02, 2021, 04:35:50 PM
 As far as build goes , I love both guns shown in this thread . I do not like painted guns regardless of color but especially those in Easter egg colors . I would love to own one like rollingb's fitted with both a smooth and rifled barrel .
Title: Re: BLUE PAINTED FLINTLOCKS
Post by: Nessmuk on June 03, 2021, 10:53:39 AM
I second Eddie's opinion,  nothing beats a wood grain stock. I also would like to own one of each.
(Disregard the screaming you hear in the background, that's my wallet)  :scared: