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Craftsmanship => Hawks and Knives => Topic started by: KDubs on January 20, 2023, 08:01:06 PM

Title: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 20, 2023, 08:01:06 PM
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 I picked up these two knives today at an antique shop .
 This one has a gap where the scales meet the guard . looks to have once been filled with copper .
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 How should I proceed here, re-scale it, leave it.
 Everything is tight just looks ugly.

 Thanks Kevin
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 20, 2023, 08:32:28 PM
I would think about a re' wrap with copper... With them stamped "Pakistan" I don't know if I'd put too much into them. They would make a great carry knife IMHO for reenacting (such as Rendezvous), or other events.  They certainly would be conversation pieces... :shake
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Nessmuk on January 20, 2023, 08:37:10 PM
If they were mine I'd just sharpen them, polish them and appreciate their character and personality. That's just me, though.
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 20, 2023, 10:28:12 PM
Looks like a couple of blanket prizes to me.
Since they were made by Paki Pete, they really don't have a lot of value.  At least with serious knife aficionados.  One similar to yours is $29.95 on FleaBay.
I see a USA made one similar to yours for about $250.00 as a comparison.  And another at $450.00.

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: PetahW on January 21, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
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IME, a Paki knife blade that will hold an edge after a (very) little use is about as rare as chicken teeth.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 21, 2023, 09:34:04 AM
Ok sounds like I made a great investment  :luff:
 I really picked them up for rendevous/reenactor stuff,  10$ each.
 I'll probably make a sheath for both and like said, turn em into trade blanket fodder.
 Thanks for your thoughts.
 Kevin
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 21, 2023, 05:53:23 PM
Good thinking Kevin. I don't think you'll have any trouble turning a profit on them once they've been "old style" sheathed. Heck, you might even want to replace the wood scales with leather... They just might make good throwing knives?  :hairy
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 21, 2023, 07:26:58 PM
Throwing knives, really hmm. Maybe.
 I was thinking a decorative fightin knife. Throw some rivets and fringe on a sheath . tada.
 Kevin
 
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: No Powder on January 22, 2023, 02:03:17 PM
Kevin, please don't think I'm trying to be smart. But I don't know your background in knife and tomahawk throwing. If you decide on throwing knives, for your own safety I would lose the guards. They kind of resemble a throwing knife I bought from TOW a long time ago. It was made in India.
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 23, 2023, 09:46:43 AM
 Right on, no guards .
 Did some research on throwing knives,  need one for my club ,  I think I'll try grinding the hook off the ass end, put on some leather scales .
  We'll see how that works.
Kevin 
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 23, 2023, 02:12:57 PM
Kevin,
That sounds like a good idea.
While you have the scales off of it, I would knock the guard off as well.
There used to be a leather supply shop in Spokane where we bought a lot of hardware and supplies.  Besides Tandy.  IIRC, it might have been associated with Leather Factory?  Of course, that was 16+ years ago, so things could have changed.
Yep, the CdAML club does like it's knife throwing.  Always a sure fire way for me to lose points in the aggregate.  I was pretty fair with tomahawks, but the knives just pulled me under.  Ugh!
As a comparison, the Hawken Shop throwing knife retails for $60.00+, so you are ahead of the game, assuming yours works out.
Remember, while the tomahawk will usually stick with one turn in 6 paces, that is not always the case for a knife.  I have had my best luck throwing the hawk first, then stepping forward one pace and let go with the knife.  YMMV.
John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 25, 2023, 09:42:21 AM
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Getting there, one for fighting one for throwin'
Kevin
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 25, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
Kevin, I really like what you have done with the knives.  Have you tried tossing the throwing knife yet?
We need a full report on that.  Or is there too much snow on the ground for that?
I just hated for there to be any footprints in the snow pack, so I had mine set up along the edge of my drive.  I always plowed that area wide, so I could do a 12 pace toss (2 revolutions) if I wanted to.
Things to ponder as you wander.
John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: No Powder on January 25, 2023, 11:34:41 AM
Do you throw a homemade knife and hawk or do you use something like an H&B or something else? The knife I use is a copy of the one I bought from  TOW,  but it's made from a blade off a sawmill.
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 25, 2023, 01:01:44 PM
Looking good!!!  :hairy
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 25, 2023, 07:23:10 PM
Do you throw a homemade knife and hawk or do you use something like an H&B or something else? The knife I use is a copy of the one I bought from  TOW,  but it's made from a blade off a sawmill.

Tom, (as for myself) I've been using H&B throwing knives and Hawks since the '80's (maybe even the late 70's... I've had them for such a long time - they just hold up and work... 'course, sometimes I have to replace a hawk handle,,, but if one uses them, who doesn't... LOL!!!


KDubs did a fine job with the leather scales on that Bowie (throwing bowie)! I've seen that style of knives used at the throwing blocks... Ought 'a be good fun!!!
 

Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 25, 2023, 09:13:47 PM
Do you throw a homemade knife and hawk or do you use something like an H&B or something else? The knife I use is a copy of the one I bought from  TOW,  but it's made from a blade off a sawmill.

The answer to the question is yes.
The one I usually use started as a leaf spring off a '57 Chevy.  I have also used H & B and Hawken Shop knives.  The verdict is, I shouldn't quit my day job.

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: No Powder on January 25, 2023, 09:28:13 PM
All these pictures and talk about knives and throwing makes me want to throw, but the weather here in PA just won't permit it .Kevin your knives look good and I know you'll enjoy knife and hawk throwing. Good luck and I hope you have a lot of success with that.
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 27, 2023, 08:20:29 PM
Thanks all.
 I did get to toss a few , hawk and knife.
 Sticks ok but not deep, weight of the knife makes it fall out.
 Guess I'll need to thin the shoulder a bit.
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 The hawk I modified with a cross , using a dremel.
 Kevin
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: No Powder on January 27, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
When it's my turn to throw against you, I'll just forfeit. When I had the shoulder changed on my hawk it helped tremendously. Dremel  tool work looks good too. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 28, 2023, 06:47:28 AM
If your hawk blocks are cut like in the picture / your knife and hawk stick a whole lot better into the wood. Though the wood being used comes into play as well... :shake

(https://i.imgur.com/dJ5ovjj.jpg)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: KDubs on January 28, 2023, 09:40:00 AM
Cool pic, thanks .
 My throwin blocks are buried in snow at the moment, temps dropping to 0* over the next couple days so they will have to wait.
Kevin
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 28, 2023, 10:22:24 AM
Cool pic, thanks .
 My throwin blocks are buried in snow at the moment, temps dropping to 0* over the next couple days so they will have to wait.
Kevin

Not much better here in NW Nebraska... I'm ready for nicer weather...  :pray:
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 28, 2023, 10:52:05 AM
The hawk blocks the CdA club had were seemingly made out of rubber.  I swear, the hawks seemed to bounce back as many times as they stuck.  :Doh! Happily, about 3 years ago, they became firewood.  :applaud

John (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: Couple used bowies
Post by: Ohio Joe on January 28, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
The one on the left certainly became firewood.  :bl th up

Heck, they all become firewood eventually... :laffing