Post by: snake eyes on February 18, 2008, 09:32:01 AM
diabetics. Or for that matter current recipies.
Did diabtetas exist back when???Actually I am sure it did..
THOUGHTS,
snke-eyes
Post by: Steve S on February 18, 2008, 09:42:17 AM
Steve
Post by: RichW on February 18, 2008, 10:53:44 AM
Post by: RDavidP on February 18, 2008, 11:08:43 AM
Post by: Voyageur on February 18, 2008, 11:30:56 AM
Post by: Fletcher on February 18, 2008, 02:50:12 PM
We do Rondys and just eat what we think they ate. We exercise and have fun. We just sneak into the tent when we need insulin shots.
Don't know if we would have had this if we lived back then, fer shore we would not have lived very long if so!
Post by: Harddog on February 18, 2008, 06:20:28 PM
A couple of things that have not been mentioned. Make sure that someone who is with you knows what to do if your blood sugar goes extremely low or if it goes high enough to present a problem and you are not capable of dealing with the problem yourself. Everyone I trek with knows where to find my diabetes medicine kit which contains, in addition to insulin and syringes, a small squeeze tube of cake decorating frosting in the event I go low blood sugar. Also, if you winter camp or trek make sure your insulin doesn't freeze. Insulin that has been frozen looses a lot of its potency. Carry your insulin in an insulated container even when winter camping. On treks I carry my insulin in a small medicine bag around my neck and keep it between layers of clothes. Not next to flesh, but under enough layers to keep it from freezing.
Randy Hedden
Post by: Loyalist Dave on February 19, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
LD
Post by: Longhunter on February 19, 2008, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: R.M. on February 19, 2008, 09:23:55 PM
Post by: Firewalker on February 19, 2008, 11:23:51 PM
Just do what you have to do. get a good book on diabetic "food units" and count. Its not too hard.
But always eat your desert first, ya just never know.........
Post by: deadfallpaul on February 20, 2008, 12:08:12 PM
I am "borderline" diabetic ( means I am predisposed to it due to family history ) and have to watch what I eat also.
A pain sometimes when you get cravings and want to "pig out" on some types of food that you shouldn't.
Gotta do what you gotta do I guess.
Post by: Fletcher on February 20, 2008, 09:30:41 PM
The ADOMWML
Apathetic Diabetic Old Men With Muzzle Loaders :oops:
Post by: Firewalker on February 21, 2008, 07:07:50 AM
Quote from: "Fletcher"
By gum it looks like there's nuff of us to have a subset O' the TMA...............I like that. I nominate you for President of the subset. We should have a quarterly meeting as well.
The ADOMWML
Apathetic Diabetic Old Men With Muzzle Loaders :oops:
Post by: Gambia on February 21, 2008, 04:59:26 PM
Post by: snake eyes on February 22, 2008, 05:43:45 AM
but with the interest shown, maybe some computer person could
make this a 'sticky thread' where diabetic recipes could be shared
under the cooking forum.I'll try but no guarantees.
snake-eyes
Post by: snake eyes on February 22, 2008, 05:53:40 AM
Post by: boardilly on February 22, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
Post by: Three Hawks on June 11, 2008, 02:58:57 PM
If it's white, don't bite. Check sugars regularly, I do it twice daily. follow your doctor's orders. Take your meds. Lose weight. See, I said it wasn't easy.
There's no such thing as "Borderline Diabetic". You are or you aren't. Period.
Three Hawks
Post by: Longhunter on June 11, 2008, 03:52:12 PM
Last March, I changed my eating habits, joined a Health Club and started working out. I've lost 30lb's and since Aprin 21st I haven't taken ANY pills. My blood sugar is normal now... :hey-hey
Basically, I started on a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables. As for meat, I eat fish, chicken and venison...BROILED...not fried. I eat a lot of salads, and stirfry and a little rice. NO eating after supper. Itcomes off a lot slower than it goes on but it's worth it.
Here's some wild Turkey stirfry.
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/turkey_stirfry.jpg)
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/turkey_stirfry2.jpg)
Now over a "little" rice
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/turkey_stirfry3.jpg)
Post by: Groundhog on June 11, 2008, 04:26:28 PM
Diet and weight are very important !
High blood pressure had me ... then the blood pressure pills made it worse ... lost 15 lbs and watched my diet (no canned food) ... blood pressure is fine and lost 15 lbs.
Too much sugar n salt in the modern man's diet.
Ron ...what's for desert ?
Post by: deadfallpaul on June 11, 2008, 05:07:33 PM
Both my parents were and my brother is full blown type 2.
I am diabetic and so far it is controlled by my diet.
As you did I lost some weight (tough for me as I am a little guy to begin with) and watch what I eat and portions.
Don't need the pill or insulin thus far.
It can be done.
Mr. Groundhog sir, I agree completely about the salt and sugar.
Also have high B.P. and cholesterol.
Use a lot of spices in my cooking. Eat a lot of garlic and take niacin.
All soups are homemade and not from a can. No salt!!
Again, diet and exercise.
Works for me.
Post by: Groundhog on June 11, 2008, 05:17:03 PM
Salt n sugar aunt our friends !!!
I still like knives
Ron kan cook 4-me anytime
Post by: snake eyes on June 12, 2008, 07:38:14 AM
page.Seems there are more than I would have thought that are
diabetic..... :shake
Post by: Bountyhunter on August 29, 2008, 01:27:04 AM
Like someone said if it is white dont bite. White food is high in starch and starch is converted directly to sugar. White bread, sugar, white flour, potatoes, pasta,,,,,,,,it is all either sugar or starch.
The best book we have found for explaining it all and setting up eating plans to deal with it is a book called The Zone Plan. It isnt a diet book, it is a book that deals with diabetes and how to plan your eating around it. My wife takes no pills and no insulin yet because she controls it with diet and exercise. The lard has to come off and the aerobic heart rate has to go up. Then you control your sugar by what you eat and dont eat, and especially by the timing of your eating. She eats 5 times a day, small doses. That way the pancreas doesnt have a fit with the insulin.
It is just getting used to it, and then it is back to quality life. I will get some recipes here that are glycemic safe. Gotta twist her arm a bit............
Post by: mike rumping on August 29, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
Ron, you sure can make me hungry lookin at your turkey stir fry,, mmmmm.
Post by: Bountyhunter on August 31, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
Each persons Diabetic situation is somewhat different and should not be monkeyed with until after you have discussed your situation with your personal doctor. There is a book out for diabetics which then discusses the different situations and how to deal with them and that is a book she recommends called the Zone Plan. The white food is starch and it converts quickly to sugar. That book tells you what you can have and what to avoid in the way of Carbohydrates (sugars and starches), Proteins, and Fats. Believe it or not there are good fats. She says that if you will read that book and follow it, you will lose weigh, and get your insulin under control and live longer. At this time she takes no pills and no insulin shots, she takes care of it with diet and exercise. Once you read that book then you will see what ingredients that you can put together to make different recipes and meals.
Post by: attheedgeoftheworld on January 18, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
I take pills twice a day.
take it easy on the sweets.
try to eat healthy, fresh veggies are good.
raymond
Post by: Three Hawks on January 19, 2009, 05:02:25 AM
A friend conned and browbeat me into using coconut oil in my daily intake. I asked my wellness nurse (yes, I have a wellness team) about it, she did some research, consulted with the team dietician and recommended three tablespoonfuls a day. So I put it in my hot cereal each morning, mix it with sugar substitute and cinnamon to put on my toast and I just eat some to make the 3T daily input. I even tried frying eggs in it. It gives the eggs a mild, pleasant coconut flavor, I like it.
After two weeks, my blood glucose began to drop so far I adjusted my daily Lantus dosage from 90 units to 60, each meal's Humilog dose from 30 units to 20 and my glucose has evened out at almost non diabetic levels. Now if only I can lose forty pounds I will live forever.
The one drawback is the deranged squirrel who keeps trying to bury me in the back yard.
Three Hawks.
Post by: Loyalist Dave on January 19, 2009, 10:55:55 AM
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Im working on sugar free Hazelnut Liquor for the diabetics in the camp I'm usually in. I'll let you know if it works, and will publish the recipe if it's safe.
OK here it is..., you need a bottle of Torani Sugar Free Hazelnut coffee syrup, or you can use Starbucks Sugar Free Hazelnut Coffee Syrup. I prefer the Torani. (Any sugar free coffee syrup would work)
A bottle of cheap vodka, and a bottle of Prestige Hazelnut Liqueur Essence, and 1 empty 750 ml bottle with a cork, stopper, or cap.
Fill the bottle 1/2 full with vodka. Add the hazelnut essence, top off with the syrup. Viola! Sugar free hazelnut liqueur. This works with any sugar free syrup flavor and a matching liqueur essence. The result is 40 proof. If you want less use less vodka.
Find essences at:http://www.brewhaus.com/Prestige_Essences_s/1.htm
LD
Post by: Fletcher on January 19, 2009, 02:22:02 PM
Post by: doc623 on March 22, 2009, 09:19:04 AM
Do you know or has anyone researched B6 is relation to sugar metabolism?
Again not giving advise as that should be done by your doctor but just asking questions.
Post by: Fletcher on March 22, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
Post by: doc623 on March 23, 2009, 07:34:17 PM
Post by: Three Hawks on October 23, 2009, 07:24:13 PM
I found it far too hard on my blood pressure as the missus wouldn't let me "vent" on the blockhead giving the presentation.
By "vent" I mean snapping his arm off at the elbow and beating him to death with the sloppy end of it. Instead I took a leak on his car and drove twigs into the door locks . Yes, I felt a lot better afterward. I would have felt even better if I could have "vented" properly, though.
I don't think I'll be using stevia any time soon. Equal and Sweet 'n Low work fine for me and don't elevate my B/P.
Maybe Pimple-Boy will learn to be a bit more circumspect around diabetic geezers with vengeful natures and adolescent imaginations. You'd think he would have noticed the clicking sounds as I racked the slide on my pistol, wouldn't you?
Three Hawks
Post by: Three Hawks on October 24, 2009, 12:50:36 AM
Sugar free does not necessarily mean carbohydrate free, or even reduced carbohydrates. Read the label.
Alcohol is not your friend, it screws up blood glucose very badly if used unwisely. I like to drink as well as the next knothead but have learned to drink alcohol very sparingly. It's coffee and tea for me. Damn. Read the label.
Another thing is the razzafratzclopdang artificial sweeteners. Sweet 'n Low and Equal and the house branded clones are OK for me. Splenda drops through like a dose of salts through a widder woman. Most unpleasant and very efficatious as a laxative. VERY!
Read the label.
Three Hawks
Post by: Loyalist Dave on October 24, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
???LD
Post by: Three Hawks on October 30, 2009, 02:50:51 AM
Quote from: "Loyalist Dave"
DUDE [doing best pimple faced left coast surfer boy impression] Did you try Splenda or the Splenda with the added fiberSplenda doesn't need any added fiber with me. Splenda with added fiber would most likely make my name a household word any time the word "cr*p" came up in conversation. Or it would be used to frighten little children into eating their roughage. "Horace, eat up your lovely mashed turnips or Mummy will have to put Splenda With Added Fiber in your Bosco and you know that means you'll be "Three Hawking" your breeches at school again".
Three Hawks
Post by: jim m on December 12, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Post by: Three Hawks on December 12, 2009, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: "jim m"
well I'll be da_____ , add another to the fold fellas. been on insulin for 3 yrs. needles and a1c tests are just a part of life now
Make yourself at home, Jim.
The missus has been hovering over me like one of those "Helicopter Moms" who won't let little Johhny do anything that might earn him a bruise, grubby spot or a scratch. She's been watching what I eat like a crazy woman. To make a long story interminable, I've lost ten pounds and have had to adjust my Lantus from 54 units morning and evening to 40 morning and evening. I still take 20 units of Humilog at mealtimes. The sawbones said losing weight reduces the amount of insulin needed.
Ya think maybe if I waste away to a ton, I won't be diabetic any more?
Hopeful ol'
Three Hawks
Post by: jim m on December 14, 2009, 07:18:50 PM
Post by: Geezer in NH on August 03, 2014, 07:13:51 PM
Beer I can drink instead of carbs (not more than 12 ounces) Hard liquor lowers my blood sugar but that is also in small quantities. 2 ounce per day. I have found that rum is not friendly no matter what the charts say and will stick with a very good bourbon or single malt.
Best is when I do not use any alcohol at all. Corn breads are a No-No as any white flour. Beans are also bad but in small amounts are better that white flours.
In fact if you are diabetic follow your nutritionists directions and screw PC/HC as many died of our disease back then SOmeimes progress is better.
For all the health nuts on here and elsewhere that state diabetes II is your own fault I can only wait till you get older and have it by your heredity.
Post by: mario on August 04, 2014, 06:56:34 PM
Doagnosed this Spring. BIG family history with it. Diet change, low does of Metformin (trying to get around that due to my above statement)= everything's pretty good.
Have lost 14lbs or so without any exercise, but that'll have to start soon.
Doc want's to put me on BP meds to help protect my kidneys (which are functioning perfectly), but I am refusing due to the side effects I suffered with them in the past.
As a professional chef, my diet change hasn't been boring, but as someone who's grown up with rice at almost every meal, it hasn't been easy.
Fortunately, I've never had much of a sweet tooth.
Mario
PS- I'm only 36.
Post by: Geezer in NH on August 05, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Post by: mario on August 07, 2014, 02:11:10 PM
That's one of the ones I tried.
Horrible side effects. Paranoia, mood swings, staying up for 2-3 days at a time, severe irritability, violent reactions. No thanks.
Mario
Post by: Geezer in NH on August 07, 2014, 08:17:40 PM
Post by: Geezer in NH on May 15, 2015, 06:40:36 PM
I now watch my levels with testing. It seems my bedtime level makes the most sense and experimenting the standard opinion does not agree They just use the average not mine.
Three weeks ago I went down to 51 (do Not go there) on the BS at 3am and my wife unit helped take care of it.
I now watch my BS amount and change by 3-6 units at night.
Doctors are only trained for the average it seems.
Learn ALL you can no matter what, the doctors do NOT know your condition
Post by: Jack Ryan on May 27, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
Diabetes was less common back in the day because most people didn't live long enough to wear out their pancreas. Alcohol was pretty much the only treatment for anything from a broken arm to tuberculosis. People just died.
Post by: snake eyes on May 27, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: "Jack Ryan"
People just died.
Jack,
With all the advances in medicine that still occurs on occasion.
snake-eyes
Post by: Rocklock on May 27, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
My wife is type I. Initial onset was at 55. Said a virus killed her pancreas. Been a long fight for her but she is doing a good job of managing it. Anyway, I have more insight than 10 years ago and more willing to work at it.
Now I'm told I'm borderline/pre/marginal/almost/kinda/sorta diabetic but diabetic nurse says it's partially because the "experts" have changed the threshold numbers. She also said that before all of the number tweaking there was an allowance for slightly higher numbers for older folks.
No pills or insulin. I now eat a little less, minimize the bread, etc. but still eat anything I want any time I want - just in moderation. A1C stays around 61 (see above re "experts") even with morning fasting numbers 123-145. 2 hrs after lunch today BS was 105. Nurse person said to just keep on doing what I'm doing. Fortunate to have no family history of type II.
Lost 13 lbs in 13 weeks with no additional exercise by just cutting back. Hip, back, knees, etc don't like power walking on asphalt so going to join the Y and do lap swimming for a few months to see what that does. To bad hiking around on the hunting lease 4 hours looking for drops, rubs, scrapes etc isn't considered aerobic exercise enough.
TC
Post by: Jack Ryan on May 27, 2015, 05:56:19 PM
Quote from: "snake eyes"
Quote from: "Jack Ryan"People just died.
Jack,
With all the advances in medicine that still occurs on occasion.
snake-eyes
Doctors call it practice for a reason.
They haven't won one yet.
Post by: Mad Irish Jack on July 22, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
Post by: Oldetexian on April 14, 2019, 05:54:04 PM
Two months ago my doctor told me I had a choice. Either get my diabetes under control or be prepared to go blind, have my kidneys crap out, or lose an appendage. Some choice, huh? She put the fear of God into me (according to my wife...lol)
Since then I have gotten rid of all fats, sugar and big carbs from my diet...and the doctor said she could not believe the change. My blood sugar was so consistent low that I had to stop using one insulin all together, and lowered my other from 78 units a day to 25. The kicker is I am feeling better than I have in years...in fact, that is one reason I have joined TMA. I am feeling so good I just had to get back to a hobby that I have always enjoyed.
So again, thanks for the great discussion.
Post by: Flinchlock on October 09, 2019, 02:22:58 PM
Post by: Oldetexian on October 09, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
But, about 7-8 months ago my doc read me the riot act...actually scared the caring right back into me. She told me that I was pushing hard up against either kidney failure, going blind and possibly losing an appendage. Needless to say, but she got my attention.
So I completely revamped my eating habits...and lost about 30-35 pounds in the process. But the best part is I feel better than I have in years, and I now have the energy to get out in the woods again.
In the end we all have to do what we can and want to do. For me, well, I am more afraid of all the doc warned me about than I am afraid of dying, so I will keep doing what I can til it's time to go.
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