Post by: Groundhog on June 20, 2008, 07:54:03 AM
Heard me that THOMPSON CENTER is going to discontinue the Hawken rifle ... well we recently discussed the outrageous price of it... so why not price it right off the shelf.
I hate to see any traditional firearm go away ...
step in the wrong direction ...
lol
Post by: TomG on June 20, 2008, 08:08:24 AM
Even the used ones at gunbroker.com are expensive.
Post by: Ohio Joe on June 20, 2008, 08:33:01 AM
It would be a shame to see this happen.
Post by: Groundhog on June 20, 2008, 08:33:09 AM
Supply n demand ...
Post by: BEAVERMAN on June 20, 2008, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: "Groundhog"
Well way I figure ... price of used ones will now go up even higher.
Supply n demand ...
Thats one of the problems, not much demand and plenty and I mean plenty of supply of used ones floating around, heck most of us with hand built guns either by ourselves or a builder started with either a TC or CVA, how many of you still have em sitting in the closet or the vault? ya shoot em anymore? will come a time when you'll need to thin out the vault for another new baby, which rifle will leave for a new home?, go to any pawn shop out here or voos or gun show and theres t/c's and cvas' everywhere for sale anywhere from 125 to 400, depends on whos selling it and if there in their right mind of course, now try to find a decent renegade for hunting at a fair price, go ahead I dare ya! Until we can get the states to make the ML seasons back to what they were intended to be for sidelocks and make them ugly line front stuffer wanna be things go away, guess what there gonna build? cuz thats what everyone on TV uses! thats what selling-gotta be better than a flinchlock! Ok Im getting off my soapbox now
Post by: Gambia on June 20, 2008, 12:51:35 PM
Post by: Spotted Bull on June 20, 2008, 12:52:53 PM
Post by: greyhunter on June 20, 2008, 09:43:31 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on June 20, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
Fact is;
1. If these modern inlines were any good at all, a person wouldn't need one that had the same feel as their .30-06 or .270, and so forth.
2. They wouldn't need a specialized type bullet to be accurate in the inliner's eyes. Accuracy for a modern Inline seems to be a 12" group at 100 yards apparently??? At least that's all I've ever seen anyone shoot with one when the person(s) using them can actually hit the paper more then once out of three shots. Heck, they can't even out shoot an unsighted smoothbore musket.
3. They wouldn't need a scope if they were any good for accuracy.
4. They wouldn't need a scope and smokeless powder if they were any good for accuracy.
5. They wouldn't need tons of advertising if they were any good for accuracy as they'd speak for themself through performance. Which is non-existant!
Bottom line; Modern inline muzzleloading rifles are pure BS... Manufactures would be better advised to stick with what works and have been proven to work for well over hundreds of years when it comes to muzzleloaders. The good ol' traditional style muzzleloading rifle shooting the good ol' traditional round ball.
Hopefully Lyman won't fold up with their Great Plains Rifle.
I'm sure it's to late for TC.
Post by: Groundhog on June 21, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Post by: butterchurn on June 22, 2008, 12:35:55 AM
Post by: Groundhog on June 22, 2008, 08:03:32 AM
for 3 f Goex ... just about the same drive/mileage.
Powder n gas going up
Post by: Kirrmeister on June 26, 2008, 10:00:58 AM
Regards
Kirrmeister
Post by: Spotted Bull on June 26, 2008, 12:46:29 PM
Post by: windwalker_au on July 04, 2008, 11:39:04 PM
Quote from: "RoaringBull"
I shoot a Pedersoli Kentucky flinter and thought, well they don't make them plastic handled thangs......till I checked the website and now they have a "modern black powder division".....very disappointing
so does lyman now have a modern black powder rifle.
bernie
Post by: rollingb on July 05, 2008, 01:05:03 AM
Quote from: "windwalker_au"
Quote from: "RoaringBull"I shoot a Pedersoli Kentucky flinter and thought, well they don't make them plastic handled thangs......till I checked the website and now they have a "modern black powder division".....very disappointing
so does lyman now have a modern black powder rifle.
bernie :cry:
Post by: Captchee on July 05, 2008, 09:30:50 AM
but keep in mind they are also very vocal about not mixing the two disciplines and have many times openly supported not mixing modern with traditional muzzleloading hunting .
To answer you question steve .
You wouldn’t have to go through all that .
Simply breech your 270 barrel . Head space the nipple so as to be fired by the firing pin .
The only thing really stopping you from using it in many states would be caliber restrictions .
If you wanted to market such a weapon you would only need to remove the second locking lug . This has been shown to be basically all that’s needed by the ATF in order for the weapon to get through the FFA
Now also I think alittle word of advice here . Now im not putting on any hat . Im just suggesting this .
Folks please remember that while we don’t support modern weapons , we also don’t get into discussions about t them unless they pertain to a given issue of who is supporting them and who is not or regulations changes that exspand their acceptance and thus effect traditional muzzleloading . Thus being something we all need to be aware of as an organization .
Now I know how you folks feel about these issues and I must say I have to agree . But lets understand that we also have members and guests who are modern shooters and who have came here to learn about traditional weapon .
They are respectful and have followed the rules .
So I ask you all to tread lightly here on this subject if we are going to start down such a road .
I would greatly appreciate it
Post by: snake eyes on July 06, 2008, 04:03:06 AM
I agree! We all have seen issues such as this go South
real quick. Just remember why we were formed and be respectful of all,
at all times!
snake-eyes