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Offline tonyhd98

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2016, 11:29:20 PM »
Typically, both barrels are loaded and primed. The fowler barrel and rifled barrel combinations have been around for centuries. Thinking was if you could have "one" rifle, the fowler was the choice back in the day.

I chose the .45 cal rifled barrels for my swivel breech rifles because they are powerful rifles for the game east of the Mississippi. You can always load a .45 cal rifled barrel with a shot load for squirrel and rabbit.

Shooting the large bores demand lots of powder, more frequent cleaning, more expensive lead balls and a sharp kick in the shoulder. Range is minimally increased as force equals mass times acceleration. We can't cheat physics.

If you're hunting a Kodiac grizzly, yes, you need a large caliber rifle and some sort of shoulder padding for a pleasant day of shooting.

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2016, 11:34:23 AM »
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I would keep both pans primed. My preference for a swivel breech would be a .54 rifle and a .54 (28ga) smoothbore...or maybe a .62 rifle and 20ga smoothbore.

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2016, 12:32:25 PM »
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I still have never seen a good enough picture to know if that were a swivel or a SxS... I have tried to find more info on that gun for years!

It appears that it's a rifle and smoothbore. I'm guessin it to be a 50 or .54 rifle with a larger smoothbore. Side by side Drillings were like that but I'd rather believe it's a Swivel.
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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2016, 12:47:48 PM »
Riley, here's some discussion on the subject from awhile back. Looks like it's a SXS

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« Last Edit: March 30, 2016, 06:21:08 PM by Longhunter »
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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2016, 12:51:54 PM »
I find that Chuck Burrows is usually the best source of the truth


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Firearms of the American West: 1803-1865 includes some info on "cape" guns used in America and notes how one was carried by a western Indian.

The double gun in the movie came from John Milius's collection and is a side by side. Milius is a big gun knut and was a writer and director on JJ the movie.

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2016, 06:10:52 PM »
Beautiful and unique...pleasure to look at.
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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2016, 06:29:18 PM »
Re: Paints his shirt red. Assuming a 2" to 3" drop of the butt plate from the sight line, the Indian portrayed in the picture would be carrying a SXS comfortably with the butt stock comfortably resting by his side. The muzzle arrangement indicates that the ramrod is positioned on the bottom of the forestock between the two barrels further confirming Longhunter's post. I'm satisfied with the verdict!

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2016, 07:59:49 PM »
Quote from: "tonyhd98"
Re: Paints his shirt red. Assuming a 2" to 3" drop of the butt plate from the sight line, the Indian portrayed in the picture would be carrying a SXS comfortably with the butt stock comfortably resting by his side. The muzzle arrangement indicates that the ramrod is positioned on the bottom of the forestock between the two barrels further confirming Longhunter's post. I'm satisfied with the verdict!

Yep, me too.
The position of the ramrod is what made me think that is was a SxS.
And then when Longhunter posted CB's thoughts I was further convinced that the ramrod was where it should be for a SxS.

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2016, 05:05:02 PM »
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Firearms of the American West: 1803-1865 includes some info on "cape" guns used in America and notes how one was carried by a western Indian.

The double gun in the movie came from John Milius's collection and is a side by side. Milius is a big gun knut and was a writer and director on JJ the movie.

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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2016, 05:11:34 PM »
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I looked up Mr Milius' address once and wrote to him asking about this particular gun. Never received a reply..


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Re: Swivel Breech Flintlock
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2016, 05:16:20 PM »
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