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English Game Gun Project
« on: January 21, 2013, 07:58:49 PM »
Am starting a .50 cal hunting rifle for a fella up to Reno.  Ed Rayl 1:28 ROT 30" bbl. hook square breech, L&R bar lock.  Curly maple full stock. Single tgr.  A gun for western deer & elk. Got all pirces except bbl. & it's soon to be here....Tom
« Last Edit: January 23, 2013, 12:39:36 PM by gunmaker »
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 07:59:31 PM »
Lookin forward to the build!
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 08:04:07 PM »
Won't be any more pic's till bbl is in hand...Tom
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 08:14:32 PM »
Do you ever take a break Tom? I'm not complanin' though...I like your work!
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 09:40:06 PM »
Tom,
Interresting project.  I just love that English Sporting Rifle look with the drip bar and the shotgun lock.  Full stock??  What profile you going to have on the barrel?
Be looking forward to seeing how it progresses.
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2013, 11:21:52 PM »
Take a break?  That's what my wife asks.  Simple answer is no, not if I have anything to say about it.  I'm retired & this sure beats TV watching.  Ever hear "we have 130 chn'ls & THERE's NOTHING ON."  Because of $$ issues---read family & kids, client went for a straight oct. .50 cal  X 30"  1:28 ROT  for big bullets. but it's an Ed Rayl custom tube.  $140.00 and hand made to boot.  Some Eng. guns were stocked in maple with full stocks, I've a pic of some in one a my ref. books  ....Tom
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 12:50:18 PM »
More pic's, about it until bbl shows
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 01:33:04 PM »
Nice pics. :rt th
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 05:45:36 PM »
I gots a ?? I'm a PRB shooter,  know nothing about these conicals, sabots whatever.  Don't all jump at once, but what's a good hunting load for deer/elk.  100gr a 2f or what's all this synthetic stuff out now ?  Bullets ??? I knoe, I know 100 people have 127 answers but here goes anyway....Tom    (1:28 ROT 30" bbl. 15/16" flats.  Ed Rayl) please no yellin er sheieking or wepons---
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 06:09:40 PM »
To be honest with you Gunmaker,... I've never shot a conical out of a muzzleloader in my life, so I dunno.
Round balls have always worked good on elk, moose, and caribou, for me.  :laffing  :shock:
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2013, 06:20:53 PM »
Lordy, lordy, Sounds like a cannon.  I don't believe he wants to target shoot with it, Just large animals.  He has several smaller guns for plinking, whatever....thanks....Tom
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2013, 07:27:08 PM »
It's what I have taught in ALL my classes for 30+ years,there is NO differance between a hunting load and a target load,actually there is ONE differance. It's where your feet are! If your feet are on the rifle range,that's your target load,if your out hunting,that's your hunting load!

Point is,use the most accurate load you can possably work up. We all have experianced what happens when you change your load + or - 5grs.

Here's an example using my,now Rick Evan's,.40cal. 42" Green Mt. coned muzzle. Just 5grs makes a world of differance. And this is a very forgiving barrel!

I dont have a lot of experiance with bullet's and fast twist,but I would imagine they would yeild simular result's.

As an example of changing laod combo's,I experimented with a custom Hawkinsa friend of mine built me.

.58 cal 38" Colrain barrel,1-1/8 tapered profile,lapped and slight taper bore,@.009 from breech to muzzle,slant hook breech.

Original load was .570 ball,spit patch blue pillow ticking,115grs 3f. With this load I was able to hit all 4 Bears on the NMLRA 200yd sillouete match,ONCE!

After numerous shoulder surgeries,non sucsessful,I needed to find a milder load. After what seem's like 1000 years on the range, I was able to hit on an alternate "kinder" load. .562 round ball,spit blue pillow tick,70grs 3f. Still goes through a couple of 2X4's at 50yd's.

All this to say,your accurate load is your hunting load. Once we put aside our "macho man"stuff,we dont need to hurt ourselves to be a sucessfull hunter. A round ball through the heart will drop whatever you shoot at.
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2013, 09:22:28 PM »
Yeah, Path, but 1:28 don't make for much of a round ball gun.

Tom, we put together a .72 cal several years ago that the customer wanted 1:28 rifling in it.  Had a fellow in Montana make a mould for it.  The bullet weighed about 1,200 grains.  It was a modified Minnie design.  Even with a 36" 1 1/4 barrel, the recoil was quite noticable at 225 grains of Fg.  I believe I got a light concussion from shooting it off the bench.

Have fun with the conicals, PRB for me.

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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2013, 09:44:08 PM »
No conicals for me.  I just asked because this piece is specifically designed to shoot the darn things.  At this point in man's path I think way more critters have been layed out by the PRB.  Seems lota folks are effected with some form a Magnumitess, old boys shot elephants with 'em-big un's....Tom
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Re: English Game Gun Project
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 10:19:10 AM »
Quote from: "melsdad"
Do you ever take a break Tom? I'm not complanin' though...I like your work!
I hope you can see all the pics...if not, we'll need to roust the techies.
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