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Offline smokepolepaul

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New barrel and tang
« on: August 21, 2014, 09:51:37 PM »
I recently bought a .50 cal. barrel for my Trade rifle.  It came with a tang.  Do I need to change the tang.  I bought the gun as a .54.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 10:06:48 AM »
I guess I am not following the question. Is this a hook breech tang? If so, and if the new bbl fits the old hook, you should be fine.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2014, 10:36:50 AM »
It is a hook breech tang.  Forgot to mention that.

Thanks for the response.  :bl th up
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2014, 02:07:11 PM »
Are both barrels the same size across the flats?or is one 15/16 and one  1" .  That might be an issue with the stock being to wide.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2014, 04:05:10 PM »
They're the same across the flats.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2014, 04:35:24 PM »
looks like you have a spare Tang for the junk drawer.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2014, 04:40:20 PM »
Kinda looks that way doesn't it.

I'll stick it in my shooting box just in case.  I appreciate your help.   :bl th up

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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 05:09:27 PM »
It might come in handy if you buy a second stock without a tang for the second barrel.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 08:47:33 AM »
Very true.  Hadn't thought about that.  One of these days I might just do that.   :)
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2014, 12:23:07 PM »
now to muddy the waters... We may be off base with our help.
This is copied from the Lyman Q/A pages .
 In some cases it seems you do need to change the tang. They are talking about the "Hunter barrel " and Great plains Rifle l here, with the fast twist.  Lyman Products Your Primary Source for Reloading Equipment
Q: I have a Great Plains Rifle. Can I just purchase the Hunter barrel to convert it to shooting conical bullets?
A: Yes, the stocks are the same. The new barrel will come with a matched tang which will need to replace your existing tang on the rifle.

 I did have to shorten a rib on a barrel to make it fit diferent model Investarms stocks one time. , but never a tang.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 03:05:37 PM »
I just got through pulling the lock and cleaning it.  While I was at it, I pulled the .54 barrel and put the .50 barrel on.  Fitted like a champ.  The tangs are the same from what I see.  The .50 barrel fits the stock just like the .54 did.  No problems.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2014, 03:11:36 PM »
Quote from: "smokepolepaul"
I just got through pulling the lock and cleaning it.  While I was at it, I pulled the .54 barrel and put the .50 barrel on.  Fitted like a champ.  The tangs are the same from what I see.  The .50 barrel fits the stock just like the .54 did.  No problems.


I have done the same with Investarm and Lyman barrels with no ill effects or poor fit with 45/50/and 54 cal 15/16" barrels. Perhaps the fast twist Hunter barrel  has something diferent  about it other than 1 had to have the under rib shortened  by 1/8".
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2014, 03:30:53 PM »
That very well could be.  I'm new to the traditional game and really enjoying it.  My only regret is that I didn't do it a long time ago.   :Doh!

I'm not one to short cut things.  I just didn't want to be changing tangs back and forth and causing excessive wear on the holes in the wood where it screws in unless I needed to.
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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 08:16:25 AM »
I believe the  tang on the fast twist  conical barrel , is made of a  harder steel so as to reduce the chance of the standing breech bending  back under heavier recoil of  larger conical

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Re: New barrel and tang
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 11:28:04 AM »
Quote from: "Captchee"
I believe the  tang on the fast twist  conical barrel , is made of a  harder steel so as to reduce the chance of the standing breech bending  back under heavier recoil of  larger conical

If this is the case, then using the fast twist tang for both barrels should solve any possible  issues??
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