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Offline granpa

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round balls offhand at 100 yards
« on: August 19, 2015, 03:13:14 AM »
my club wants to put on a shoot for prb at 200 yards  the target an 8 inch gong and I think  most if not all of those attending would have a hard job hitting that gong offhand 5 times at 100 yards beyond them ..  how wrong am I most would be shooting hawkin replicas with iron sights

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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2015, 09:15:59 AM »
Depends on the shooters.  I know some that can do it and been to some club shoots where no one could.  If you want to demonstrate the fact that it ain't easy to hit a deer at 200 yards that would be a good demonstration.  If you want the shooters to have fun get a larger target.
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2015, 11:34:44 AM »
I agree with Steve.  Unless you got some exceptional shooters, it's only frustration.  One of the events we used to have at our old rendezvous was they posted a NMLRA sized pig at 100 yards.  Everyone would shoot at it one time.  Those who missed would fall out and those who hit would back up 25 yards.  The process repeated.  By the time we would get to 175 yards, there would only be a couple of shooters left.  If anyone hit it at 200 yards, he was the winner.  I want to stress the IF part of that sentence.  Usually, we would have to move back to 175 and try it again.  You might want to try the shoot and miss thing instead and see what happens.
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 09:52:55 AM »
We used to spend a Saturday afternoon working on a 12x12 gong at 100
(+-) yards mostly off hand, or on one knee - sure you can hit it, even repeatedly,  but there are days where there's "just isn't happening" in the air - I think your set up would be a fun challenge but perhaps the volley and step back idea from Bigsmoke would be more fun, for that 8" gong, say 50yds,75yds,100yds etc until there's an elimination.
We'd just shoot for bragging rights who could hit the gong the most times in a row, most times that day,  and although nobody ever did it, who could  hit and not miss all day - but either way it's all in fun!
I think if you have a person able to hit and repeat 5 times, at 200 yds, on an 8" gong, off hand that shooter truly deserves a prize!
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 05:47:24 PM »
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I think if you have a person able to hit and repeat 5 times, at 200 yds, on an 8" gong, off hand that shooter truly deserves a prize!
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 10:00:17 AM »
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2015, 09:12:58 AM »
200 yds at a 8" gong is some pretty tight shooting offhand.

 Most days I'm lucky to hit a 36x36 inch paper at 200 yards off hand.
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 Kuyahoora Valley Rangers Muzzleloading Club, Inc. - The Club  has a bear at 100 yards'ish . I do not know the exact measurements but it is maybe 14" wide and 2 feet long. Knowing that information I hit it 11 times in a row with my 45 percussion.
 Alabama hunt club has a bear target, full size with a plate in the kill shot area. It's over a tad 100 yards out. Hit the plate you hear a "tang"!

Lock Stock and Barrel in Volney NY  takes steel silhouettes and reverses them. All yardages are extimated, this way you have to know where your rifle shoots. hehe Ram at 25 yards, wood chuck at 50, turkey 75 crow at 90, chickens at 100. First shooter up choses his target. He hits the crow the next guy has to hit a chicken , he hits a chicken next guy picks his target . Each shooter gets 3 shots and if need be tie breakers are decided via shoot off.

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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2015, 08:42:29 PM »
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Knowing that information I hit it 11 times in a row with my 45 percussion.
That's some good shootin right there.
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2015, 08:50:24 AM »
Most people I know cant hit a 8" target at 200  yards offhand with a supository firearm let alone a ML!

Go to a larger target at 200 yds or smaller one closer.

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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 08:52:06 AM »
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Knowing that information I hit it 11 times in a row with my 45 percussion.
That's some good shootin right there.

Thank you! Yes I had a very good weekend on all my targets.

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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 09:29:09 AM »
These old eyeballs of mine probably could'nt see a 200 yrd target. I tried some offhand 100 yrd shooting with Samson my 62 cal yesterday just to see how bad of ball drop I would get and did not impress myself at all. The drop was not at all bad but my shooting was. I shot nine shots total at 100 yrds at a nice bright 3 inch orange dot an 6 would have been a dead deer. 1 would have been a wounded deer an 2 would have made the deer laugh at me. Thank goodness all of my hunting spots are a close range deal of 50 or less yrds cause I have no business shooting at a live animal at longer distance
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2015, 12:16:57 PM »
Thanks Wattlebuster,I thought it was just me! I couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of
a barn off hand at 200yards.
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2015, 12:33:53 PM »
Here is what im talking about. At 100 yrds that orange dot was shore nuff tiny an I aint never seen a deer with one of them glued on its shoulder area. Guess I am a short range man. You gents that can see good enough an have the skill good enough too shoot the 1 an 2 hundred yrd targets have my deepest respect.
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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2015, 05:34:50 PM »
Well thanks guys I was sure that 8 inches at 200 off hand  yards was in the more hope than anger park  but the organiser is dead set on having a long range shoot  but I think his target size is getting a rethink

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Re: round balls offhand at 100 yards
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 06:40:53 PM »
hah!  8" @ 200 yards can all too easily be a challenge for the average bpcr enthusiast off cross sticks let alone an ml offhand!

what would make far more sense is to hold a 200 yard ml offhand match at graduated target sizes.  like, a 6'x6' barn door that moves down in 1 foot increments to a 1'x1' bucket.  that way, everyone can hit something ... maybe.   :lol: