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Author Topic: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.  (Read 1603 times)

Offline Buster95

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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2016, 05:19:26 PM »
Uncle Russ, my only experience with muzzle loader is with a CVA Hawkins in the 90's... I have a lot to learn  :shock:

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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 05:40:16 PM »
Some parts need to be replaced on this gun? Nipple maybe? What about springs?

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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 05:48:24 PM »
If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

With that being said, it probably has the blued steel nipple?  If so, I would certainly replace that with a MSM stainless nipple.  It is probably 5/16-18 IIRC?  You should be able to get that thread for either #11 caps or musket caps.  The #11 caps will be a bit less $$$ to shoot, the musket caps will give you more fire to the powder charge.  Your choice.
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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2016, 06:30:32 PM »
Buster95, you can take what Bigsmoke just said to the Bank....any Bank.
Give the gun a chance. Let it do its thing, then decide if something needs changing.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, has many, many applications in this wonderful sport.
Patience and experimentation with components, changing only one component at a time, are in high demand, and best played out when meticulous notes are taken.

This very important phase of introduction is often overlooked by those to eager.

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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2016, 01:04:53 PM »
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...... It seems, from my reading and on some of my own doings, that anything faster than about 1:62 destroys the integrity of the "skirt" or hollow cavity on a Minnie at the exact instant of bump-up, or obturation........

.....This principal is likely the very reason "Progressive, or Gain Twist Rifling" came into being.
During bump-up and at engraving, the rifling is slow, then getting a wee bit faster toward the muzzle to better help stabilize the long hollow base projectile without blowing the skirt as the projectile exists the barrel...the projectile becomes more gyroscopically balanced, if you will..........

The Pattern 1853 Enfield (commonly referred to as the three-band Enfield) had 1 in 78" pitch three groove rifling and 39" barrel.  The P.56 Short Rifle with its 33" barrel had the same rifling. The short rifles are often referred to as  two-band Enfields.

The P.58 Enfield (Naval Rifle) had a heavier 33" barrel then the P.56 and 1 in 48" five groove rifling. Subsequent Short Rifles, the P.60 & P.61, each had the same barrel weight and rifling as the P.58. The Chiappa rifle with 3 groove 1 in 65 rifling is not a copy any particular Pattern Enfield.

The five groove heavy barreled short rifles have a reputation for good accuracy, and this may also be because the rear sight was further from the eye than on the P.53, giving for some a better sight picture. I've seen both shoot well and here in the UK where we have competition out to 600 yards (sometimes 800 yards). In the 19th Century Rifle Volunteers shooting in Regimental competitions or at the NRA(GB) annual rifle meetings in the 1860s also used them out to 600 yards (generally the P.53, which was their arm of issue).


There's confusion about the term progressive rifling. This is different from gain twist, which as is noted starts with a slow rate of twist (or even straight) then increases in pitch.

The Enfields had progressive depth rifling; ie. the groove depth got shallower towards the muzzle (the bore remaining unchanged). This helped reduce fouling. For the short rifles the grooves were 0.013" deep at the breech and 0.005" deep at the muzzle.

If you're interested in shooting Enfields have a look at the Military Muzzle Loading Rifles section of my web site.

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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016, 09:41:48 PM »
I finally got my Enfield, here are some pics, nothing spectacular but I like it.














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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2016, 11:47:08 PM »
Good looking rifle, :rt th ..... how long did it take to get it, from the time you ordered it until you received it?
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Re: Chiappa 1858 Enfield.
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2016, 09:28:24 AM »
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Good looking rifle, :rt th ..... how long did it take to get it, from the time you ordered it until you received it?

The gun was in stock when I ordered it but I used the layaway plan of the store.