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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2016, 01:00:28 PM »
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I didn't realize the hole would be that much bigger. I'll be well past the top of the flat.

Instead of drilling the hole more sideways like you, I wonder if mine could be drill lower?

As long as the real estate on that barrel flat allows, you should be able to.  The difference of .076" would be applied to how far down the circle cuts instead of how far you moved the center of the hole.  I'm guessing for yours, the Chambers liner would simply be drilled on the same center as your current vent since it is so nicely centered on the pan. :lt th

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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2016, 01:06:02 PM »
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Good article and warning on buying the White Lightning from TOW.

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After viewing this article, I had a thought that took me back to my OP.  If I installed an authentic Chambers 5/16-32 liner and offset the new hole like shown below, the result will be a vent nearly dead on center with the pan. It would move around .076" toward the muzzle.  Instead of plugging the 6mm hole, just cutting the new hole will solve the problem. Any holes in my thought process?  :rt th
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #152 on: November 11, 2016, 01:10:32 PM »
An end mill for certain!
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« Reply #153 on: November 11, 2016, 01:15:00 PM »
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JStanley,... you might want to have someone with an end mill do that work for you, a regular drill press and drill-bit will have the tendency to want to follow the original hole (even when clamped in a good drill-press vice) resulting in a slightly tapered egg-shaped hole you won't be happy with.  :hey-hey Definitely gonna have to wait til after deer season though......... :horse

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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #154 on: November 11, 2016, 01:18:05 PM »
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JStanley,... you might want to have someone with an end mill do that work for you, a regular drill press and drill-bit will have the tendency to want to follow the original hole (even when clamped in a good drill-press vice) resulting in a slightly tapered egg-shaped hole you won't be happy with.  :hey-hey Definitely gonna have to wait til after deer season though......... ;)
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #155 on: November 11, 2016, 01:29:48 PM »
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JStanley,... you might want to have someone with an end mill do that work for you, a regular drill press and drill-bit will have the tendency to want to follow the original hole (even when clamped in a good drill-press vice) resulting in a slightly tapered egg-shaped hole you won't be happy with.  :hey-hey Definitely gonna have to wait til after deer season though......... :hairy  :(


........ and a lathe  :(

........ and a rifling-machine  :laffing
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #156 on: November 11, 2016, 01:40:18 PM »
Cripes! I don't even have a vice.

Well, I just ordered the White Lightning from Jim. I know i'll get the right one that way. With the barrel off it's actually centered on the flat pretty close. The flat is 3/8" and I ordered the 5/16" liner. It should just fit perfect.

Since the breech plug needs to be removed and should really be drilled with a drill press. I can't do it and my gunsmith won't do it. I just asked.

Any suggestings on who I can get to do it?

I'm not going to mess with my present vent liner. I won't shoot again until I get this installed. It's too aggravating to get all the flash in the pans. I've had enough for a lifetime.
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #157 on: November 11, 2016, 02:34:20 PM »
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:hey-hey  You lucky guy,.... I wish I had an end mill.  :(

........ and a stock-duplicator  :(

........ and a host of other cool toys.  :happy

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Any interest in installing mine? You can experiment on me.  ;)

If you aren't in a big hurry Pete, PM me and we can talk timing.......like Rob said, won't be until after the first of the year, probably.

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« Reply #158 on: November 11, 2016, 02:51:48 PM »
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Cripes! I don't even have a vice.

Well, I just ordered the White Lightning from Jim. I know i'll get the right one that way. With the barrel off it's actually centered on the flat pretty close. The flat is 3/8" and I ordered the 5/16" liner. It should just fit perfect.

Since the breech plug needs to be removed and should really be drilled with a drill press. I can't do it and my gunsmith won't do it. I just asked.

Any suggestings on who I can get to do it?

I'm not going to mess with my present vent liner. I won't shoot again until I get this installed. It's too aggravating to get all the flash in the pans. I've had enough for a lifetime.

You veterans correct me if I'm wrong but since the vent is installed completely within the confines of the BP and the patent breech antechamber on a GPR (at least mine is), why couldn't the barrel just be chucked up nice and square in a milling machine for the whole process and leave the BP in place?

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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #159 on: November 11, 2016, 03:00:27 PM »
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Cripes! I don't even have a vice.

Well, I just ordered the White Lightning from Jim. I know i'll get the right one that way. With the barrel off it's actually centered on the flat pretty close. The flat is 3/8" and I ordered the 5/16" liner. It should just fit perfect.

Since the breech plug needs to be removed and should really be drilled with a drill press. I can't do it and my gunsmith won't do it. I just asked.

Any suggestings on who I can get to do it?

I'm not going to mess with my present vent liner. I won't shoot again until I get this installed. It's too aggravating to get all the flash in the pans. I've had enough for a lifetime.

You veterans correct me if I'm wrong but since the vent is installed completely within the confines of the BP and the patent breech antechamber on a GPR (at least mine is), why couldn't the barrel just be chucked up nice and square in a milling machine for the whole process and leave the BP in place?
I see no reason the breech plug has to be removed from the barrel.  :rt th
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #160 on: November 11, 2016, 03:06:37 PM »
the reason for the breech removal is to file flat the liner to meet flush with the ante-chamber wall - IF that needs to be done. you'll know once you pull the old liner and measure the patent breech ante-chamber's thickness versus the length of the new liner.

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« Reply #161 on: November 11, 2016, 03:55:50 PM »
I was going by these instructions.


Remove breechplug and make sure your new touchhole will not interfere with the breechplug.

Remove the old vent liner, and re drill with the appropriate size bit, for a 5/16" its a 9/32 or letter L bit.
Counter sink that hole slightly.  Maybe 1/64??  I'm guessing.  This will determine how thick the remaining wall is between the main charge and primer.
Tap the hole with the appropriate tap.
Install new liner till it bottoms out.
Cut off exterior of liner and file to the barrel flat.
Check the inside of the barrel, touch up any areas where the liner may have come through or burrs.

Reinstall breechplug.  I usually open the touch hole slightly.  
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« Reply #162 on: November 11, 2016, 04:02:28 PM »
Some more info.




This is a spin-off from another thread, "Breech Plug Question". I don't mean this to be a tutorial, just an account of tips and trials. Please step up and correct me if I'm wrong- another DON'T.
I have often thought that "How To" instructions should also come with "How Not to Do" instructions. When considering a vent liner, the first consideration should be whether or not it will fit in the barrel without hitting the breech plug. So this means positioning the lock forward enough so this won't happen. Giving credit where credit is due, it was Dennis Glazener who told me to wait on installing the liner untill the barrel was inlet and the lock installed. In other words- DON'T install it until you can line it up with the pan, not the other way around.
And DON'T position your lock so far back that the liner ends up in the breech plug.

I had ordered my liner from Jim Chambers and he offered to send the appropriate drill and tap with it. I accepted his offer- That's a DO.

I read the instructions included and followed them as best I could, another DO.

I tried to stop the tap from going all the way through, but it wouldn't seat properly and I ended up tapping it a little deeper. It went all the way through and I thought it was wrong, but it did seat it the countersink. I thought all was well, cut and filed the liner and put the gun back together- DON'T. After running my cleaning scraper down the bore, I realized it was hitting the liner inside the bore. So I had to take the barrel back out, remove the breech plug and grind the liner off INSIDE the barrel. DON'T. Fortunately this was a .54 smoothbore and it was not a problem.

The light bulb went off this morning when I read KYflinter's post in the other thread. DO leave the extra material and screw slot on the liner until you know all is well on the inside of the bore. DO NOT cut it off until you know and correct it.

So now I'm getting ready to put a liner in another barrel. It's a 13/16 .40 rifled barrel from Getz. I had measured the wall of the barrel and saw that the liner was longer than the wall of the barrel, so this same thing is going to happen. I don't know how to gauge the length I should leave. I mean, What if it breaks through where the rifling crosses? Or is the wall thickness too thin to start with? Maybe it's not even thick enough to worry about a liner.

So for now I'm at DON't do anything just yet.  What would you do?

Title: Re: White Lightning vent liner- Do's and Don'ts
Post by: E.vonAschwege on March 05, 2015, 12:33:53 PM

Nord - great listing of DOs and DON'Ts for installing a White Lightnin liner.  I agree with all of the tips, and I do always try to make it so the liner doesn't interfere with the breech plug.  Sometimes despite our best efforts that isn't possible, and it is considered by most to be an acceptable practice to dish the breech plug SLIGHTLY (the amount depends on the depth of the plug, I've dished by 1/16" before) if needed to accommodate a liner.  This of course means the liner must be measured for depth, filed so it doesn't protrude into the bore, breech plug installed, then liner installed, locking it all together.
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Re: GPR Lock Improvement
« Reply #163 on: November 11, 2016, 04:19:18 PM »
pete - all of the above is just installation process common sense when installing most any vent liner.

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« Reply #164 on: November 11, 2016, 04:27:39 PM »
Except with the White Lightning you have a bigger hole in the barrel.
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