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Offline Meanwhile

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Old Cleaning Solutions
« on: February 10, 2020, 01:33:31 PM »
I've done some searches and came across Moose Milk.  I bought a used TC .50 Hawken percussion rifle and these two cleaners were inside the shotgun box. 

I'm assuming the Number Thirteen is similar to Moose Milk, but the other solvent does not smell of anything I recognize.

Any feedback on either fluid?  I used the #13 yesterday and it seemed to cut the barrel black very well.

I mentioned a case that came with the rifle.  I think it is very handy.  After the rifle it is the coolest item.

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2020, 02:33:22 PM »
No reason not to use it that I know of... When it's used up I would suggest just plain ol' water for cleaning, and after all is dried good, oil up the ol' smoke pole inside and out and you're good to go...  :shake
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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 02:38:39 PM »
firstly, if the gun has been well maintained, there is no need for anything more than tepid tap water to dissolve bp residue. 

again, LOTS will depend on how well the gun has been, or was, maintained. 

what does "well maintained" mean? 

it means to immediately attend to the bbl and lock after the last shot of the day is taken in order to prevent bp residue from getting crusty hard and/or eating the metal. 

after that last shot of the day, this is where i use my version of "moose milk", which is a 1:6 (or so) blend of ballistol:water.  while it's really the water that does the bp dissolving, ballistol, or most any water soluble oil, is added to the water to protect both the metal and the wood.  i run a few moose milk sloppy patches down the tube and leave the last very wet patch (and rod) down the tube (important).  then a small pump spray bottle filled with moose milk gets to spritz down the lock.  in doing this pre-clean cleaning, the bp residue stays soft for the real cleaning when back at the ranch house. 

failure to care for bp residue ASAP will more than likely mean chemicals and nasty concoctions will be required somewhere down the road, usually sooner than later.  this makes the purveyors of all those fancy schmancy expensive muzzleloader cleaning potions both happy and rich.

for the real cleaning ...

remove the flint and its leather from the lock, then pull it off the gun and leave it dunked it in a bowl of tepid tap water.  the bbl touch hole is plugged with a round toothpick and tepid tap water is poured down the barrel about 1/2 to 3/4 - there is no need for more water than that.  leave the gun standing on its butt stock and go attend the lock. 

the lock is scrubbed with an old stiff toothbrush, rinsed in clean water, patted mostly dry with a towel (cloth or paper), spritzed wet with either water soluble oil (any kind, i use ballistol) or wd40, patted mostly dry with a paper towel.  then all the lock pivot points get a *tiny* drop of gun oil.

back to the tube, pull the toothpick and allow the bbl water to pizz out.  a few patched jag passes down and out the tube, until a patch looks *reasonably* clean (it will Never be perfectly clean, which is Correct).  for me, this is 2 to 4 patches, rarely more.  a few patches to dry the tube, and a final patch with gun oil i sent down to kiss the breech plug and left there.

screw back the lock, load the cock jaws with leathered flint, wipe down the entire gun - metal and wood - with a cotton rag that's very lightly damp with ballistol (or any water soluble oil).  done. 

before shooting the gun, run some dry patches down the tube to clear out any oil residue, wipe down the lock with a dry cotton cloth.

there now, wasn't that both easy and fun?!

NOTE:  there will be an added step or three if the barrel employs a patent breech (this will be true for 99.9% of all offshore trad muzzleloaders).

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 10:25:12 PM »
FWIW; I believe the "Old Thunder" is a creation of our own John Shorb (Bigsmoke) of the TMA.
John once owned October Country, a Muzzleloading Supply store in Idaho.
John will likely see this post and chime in.

I once owned a bottle of Old Thunder, perhaps I still do, but I don't recall seeing it in a while.
Anyway, it works quite well as both a Lube and a Cleaner.  I can't recall any complaints I may have had.
In fact, I always somehow thought it was very much akin to the "old" Lehigh Valley Lube that once dominated the Lube / Cleaner field.

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 07:40:11 PM »
The bottle says it comes from Bend, OR so just down the road from you.   :lol sign

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 07:55:27 PM »
John once owned Outdoor Country

Weren't that October Country?  Anyway, the bottle says it comes from Bend, OR so just down the road from you.   :lol sign

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 12:43:42 PM »
If you are in the market for some "Old Thunder" try   http://www.glaciertraditionalarchery.com/. This man bought the Old Thunder rights I do believe, though I could be wrong which wouldn't be the first time.

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 05:29:16 PM »
Oh my, I saw that Ol' Thunder label and then looked closely at it and then saw the Bend, OR address on it.  I wonder how many times it has been sold.
I knew a fellow in Redding, CA who claimed to have owned the business.  I bought it about 1994 I think from a fellow in Portland, OR.  How it got from Redding CA to Bend, I have no idea, but I assume it went from Bend, OR to Portland, OR directly???  Anyway, in 2010(?) I sold it to Glacier Archery who has had it ever since.
Anyway, contrary to some who say that plain old tap water is all you need, I do believe Ol' Thunder is superior.  It is a quick, easy bore cleaner and a terrific patch lube.  Back in 1999 or 2000, I did win the Coeur d'Alene Muzzleloaders annual shooting top score award, using Ol' Thunder as a patch lube, Hornady round ball, RWS caps, GOEX powder and Ox Yoke patches.  I guess any or all of those could have a bearing on the results, but I like to think it was the Ol' Thunder.  Were John Fredenburg to jump in here, he could relate some stories about using Ol Thunder with groups of Boy Scouts.
Anyway, good stuff, I heartadly recommend it.
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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 07:32:04 PM »
It is cool that the bottle brought some good memories back.  Thanks for the information.  I think I'll keep the bottle on the shelf.

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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 09:28:46 AM »
Its nice to see that some of this stuff has survived into todays times. Granted, I've not used anything but my own concoctions for the last 30+ years, but it's still nice to see some of these things are still around. :bl th up
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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 12:00:50 PM »
Water worked just fine, to dissolve black powder fouling 500 years ago,... 400 years ago,... 300 years ago,... 200 years ago,... 100 years ago,... and still works fine today.  :applaud  :*:  :)
And it's FREE!  :o :hairy

The only thing to gain by "reinventing the wheel", is money,.... and I'd rather keep my money in MY pocket, while carrying on a tradition.  ;)

The next thing you know,.... they'll probably try to reinvent muzzleloaders and black powder! :lol sign :laffing
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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 12:59:56 PM »
Water worked just fine, to dissolve black powder fouling 500 years ago,... 400 years ago,... 300 years ago,... 200 years ago,... 100 years ago,... and still works fine today.  :applaud  :*:  :)
And it's FREE!  :o :hairy

The only thing to gain by "reinventing the wheel", is money,.... and I'd rather keep my money in MY pocket, while carrying on a tradition.  ;)

The next thing you know,.... they'll probably try to reinvent muzzleloaders and black powder! :lol sign :laffing

Well Rondo, I think Bill Knight has kinda reinvented muzzleloaders, and Pyrodex has kinda reinvented black powder. :Doh!

And as far as water being free, if that is true, how come I pay the city $175 a month for sewer and H20???  That sure don't feel like free to me. I sure do miss having my own well conveniently located in my own back yard.
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Re: Old Cleaning Solutions
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 01:30:53 PM »
There's a lot to what Rondo says, but the day I introduce my tap water with softener salt in it, just ain't gonna happen, and I don't have an outside bypass tap, so a .99 vent gallon windshield washer fluid works just fine for me.  :shake
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 01:54:53 PM »
79 cent gallon of distilled water for me.  :lol sign

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 02:26:05 PM »
79 cent gallon of distilled water for me.  :lol sign

I hear ya Rob, sadly the cheap .99 cent windshield washer fluid is the same price as water where I live... I guess I could multi task using water... Let's see, cleaning, drinking, and summer time windshield cleaner.. Lol  :lol sign
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