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Online BEAVERMAN

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ATF HERE WE GO AGAIN!
« on: September 04, 2023, 01:01:36 AM »
https://www.regulations.gov/document/ATF-2023-0001-0001

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Re: ATF HERE WE GO AGAIN!
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2023, 06:00:26 AM »
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Re: ATF HERE WE GO AGAIN!
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2023, 11:18:11 AM »
Well, on one hand, in the case of a home fire, that is a pretty good idea for the fire department to know there is black powder stored on the premises. 
On the other hand, it ain't anyone's business what any of us have or where it is.
Unless, of course, a person is engaged in the business of actually selling said item.
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Re: ATF HERE WE GO AGAIN!
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2023, 01:55:24 PM »
Quote from the link Mr. Beaver posted:

"ATF estimates that this rulemaking will have an impact on approximately 9,674 licensees or permittees, and that notification will take 30 minutes per occasion. ATF cost estimates for this rulemaking are as follows:

Labor Costs: Half hour of labor ($41.86/hour 0.5 hours)  (2) for completing and mailing the notification 9,674 licensees or permittees = $202,477. The annual cost of this rulemaking would be $202,477."

I don't think they realize there are a whole lot more folks storing black powder than they show!

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Re: ATF HERE WE GO AGAIN!
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2023, 02:09:42 PM »
Oh Boy!! Will I  be sending comments? Will I ever!!!!! Let the Email flood commence!!!


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