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Offline bluelake

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« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2009, 06:32:11 PM »
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If I were to buy one, what is a typical turnaround time if I sent it to someone like Ed Rayl to have a rifled barrel put on?

Thanks in advance  :)

As to Ed RAYL turn around ?? at this time. Contact Him. In my case ( a couple of years ago, it was less than a month)

As to the accuracy of his Bbl.s + IMHO VERY GOOD.

Puffer

I will have to wait until at least the end of the month to contact him, as I won't be back in the States until then (and he only has telephone/snail mail).  The turnaround for you was quite good.
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« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2009, 06:07:18 PM »
I finally got around to sanding the finish of the Baker and staining it walnut with a stain from Old forge. I just put a coat of linseed on and it looks very nice. Whatever that wood is it seems to be very hard and dense. I plan on using the Baker for woods walks and hunting this fall and winter.
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« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2009, 07:35:48 PM »
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I finally got around to sanding the finish of the Baker and staining it walnut with a stain from Old forge. I just put a coat of linseed on and it looks very nice. Whatever that wood is it seems to be very hard and dense. I plan on using the Baker for woods walks and hunting this fall and winter.

INVU   :shake
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« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2009, 09:54:52 PM »
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I finally got around to sanding the finish of the Baker and staining it walnut with a stain from Old forge. I just put a coat of linseed on and it looks very nice. Whatever that wood is it seems to be very hard and dense. I plan on using the Baker for woods walks and hunting this fall and winter.

INVU   :shake

I hope you like the pictures.

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« Reply #109 on: May 27, 2009, 10:57:36 PM »
Looks really nice, Chuck--thanks for sharing.


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« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2009, 10:34:43 AM »
That looks, [size=150]FANTASTIC[/size]

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« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2009, 04:25:35 PM »
Thanks Puffer
That rifle just out shoots me.
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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2009, 07:42:50 PM »
Hi fellas,  My name is Rob and I also have a Indian Baker (posted here a couple of times too).  I hope you don't mind me chiming in here!  I went for a shoot yesterday for the first time in a long while.  Decided to go with a new patch material and work up a load for it.  I have some light, tight weave, "canvassy" kind of material that measures .018 (where the micrometer stops at) and crushes down to .009 or .010.  It was lubed with a dip in straight shortening and a squeeze to get rid of any excess.  I wrapped these around cast .610 balls and I was pleasantly surprised.  Now I have to mention that the barrel is a 1-120 original style barrel from Ed Rayl and as such is inherently less accurate though historically correct.  As there are very few references for actual baker accuracy around I use the target that is illustrated in a number of books showing a figure of a man shot at by Baker himself from the standing (presumably unsupported) at 200 yds.   All these rounds are within a group measuring some 3' 6" high by some 18" wide.  Also there is a quote from the "Military Flintlock" book by DW Bailey stating that a 3rd Class marksman (the best) had to shoot 4 of 6 rounds either in to the figure target or a 15" Circle at 200 and 300 yds.  So it is with this information that I formulate the standard that my rifle should shoot to.  So, a nice sunny day with little wind.  I started at 50 metres to group and then zero.  I had recently added a new sight modification to the rear sight in so much as a small piece of brass added to the rear of the rearsight to lessen the considerable "vee" of the one that came with the rifle.  

Made the sight picture much more fine and easier to use.  The only thing is it shoots way high now....  more on that later.  I started with 60 grains FFg and made leaps or 5 gr up to 90 shooting five round groups.  Then I did the same using a 20 gauge lubed fibre wad under the patched ball and this made the group considerably higher as a result of the greater pressure created moving more mass out the barrel I guess.  The rifle defiantly felt like it was kicking just a bit differently and its report had a much sharper element to it.  The wad idea came around when I was using thinner patch material that was burning out with greater loads and I found that it had the added benefit of lubing and cleaning the barrel to the point of being able to fire 50 or so rounds in a row with little or no fouling (except in the lock area of course).  I found the best group of the day at 50 metres was 2 1/2 inches measured centre to centre with 3" group readily reproduced.  

This was done with 90 grs FFg with no wad.  So not amazing by any modern standards but I took this as an acceptable standard to zero for deflection and brought the groups into line with a couple of taps of the foresight.  Out to 100.  The groups did not drop as significantly as I was expecting (presumably due to the 90 gr charge...) and all were about the same 8" or so high.....  (ultimately I will have to lower the rearsight to bring the groups down when the final zero and load confirmation take place.....soon)  I shot groups that measured 6" to 6 1/2".  

This would seem to correspond with simple math saying the 3" at 50m will be 6" at 100m, eh?  So to take that a step further say out to 200 I could expect that I could shoot a 12" group at 200m and an 18" group at 300m......  And when I compare that to the references it all seems to match up......  I should certainly be able to hit a full size figure target at 200 and with out too much of a stretch hit a 15" circle at 300.  Well this is all very exciting to me, what with being able to reproduce the kind of accuracy expected of a marksman of the 95th or 60th.....  No its not modern "ass out of a gnat" accuracy but it is certainly up there with the early 19th century's version of it.........  What a great day.....

Thanks,
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2009, 08:32:14 PM »
Rob
Thank you for giving us that wonderful report I will look forward to reading more of them.
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« Reply #114 on: June 01, 2009, 12:23:34 AM »
Say Chuck,  what are the specs of your Baker?  Where did you get it?  How's the lock? Rifling type?  How far have you shot with it?  

Rob

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« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2009, 05:28:54 PM »
Robert
This tread is a running cometary on various Baker rifles owned by members of this forum. My Baker is made in India and imported by Middlesex Trading Village. It is my understanding that these rifles are made the old fashion way by forging etc. They are imported into this country with smooth bore barrels. I had this barrel replaced with a rifled barrel form Ed Reyhl in West Virgina. I think he put a 1:77 twist in the barrel but I may be mistaken. Puffer can verify the twist. The rifle out shoots me, I intend to use it for hunting deer and in Woods Walks. Buy one and join the club.
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« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2009, 07:49:58 PM »
Chuck,

How does you Baker fit?  The drop on Puffer's is less than what Jess put on mine and that makes his a bear to shoot.  It's hard to get a good sight picture with your cheek bone pressed hard against the comb.
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« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2009, 08:01:10 PM »
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wouldn't a, "1 in 100" twist be considered "straight rifling"???

For the government test the rifle barrels were set solid in mortar, tightest group to get the contract.

Baker made a lot of barrels with different lengths and rates. He found that short was as good as long, and the closer he got to straight the closer it shot.

Perhaps the specified charge tended to strip in the rifling, anyways, Baker's barrel shot tightest and he won.

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« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2009, 09:20:29 PM »
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Rob
Thank you for giving us that wonderful report I will look forward to reading more of them.

[size=150]DITTO< DITTO !![/size]

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« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2009, 09:22:01 PM »
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Rob
Thank you for giving us that wonderful report I will look forward to reading more of them.

[size=150]DITTO< DITTO !![/size]

Puffer

Hey ROBIN, how is YOUR "experiments" coming ??

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