Post by: jgr1974 on October 19, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
I am wanting to do an early 19th century clerk impression. I am new to this era but learning. I have read some accounts of the upper echelon of the company using a cutlass. I am curious what type and should use, and wonder if anyone has pics and refferences I can see?
I have looked at the Napoleonic era French briquet as a possibility. I think the F&I -Rev war British hangars me be antiquated for the period I am looking at.
Any help is appreciated!
Jeremy
Post by: Sir Michael on October 19, 2009, 09:01:45 PM
Post by: Puffer on October 20, 2009, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: "jgr1974"
Hello all,
I am wanting to do an early 19th century clerk impression. I am new to this era but learning. I have read some accounts of the upper echelon of the company using a cutlass. I am curious what type and should use, and wonder if anyone has pics and refferences I can see?
I have looked at the Napoleonic era French briquet as a possibility. I think the F&I -Rev war British hangars me be antiquated for the period I am looking at.
Any help is appreciated!
Jeremy
Jeremy, What firm are you planing on representing & where ?
Swords were a part of of the equipment carried & used by Both the employees of NWC & HBC. The style of sword covered the full spectrum.
1. Swords were available by private purchase ( many bought through the companies. ( example David Thompson, 1n 1812 ordered a new sword from NWC.) HBC also had a sword made for them. They also presented their chief factors with a "gift sword".
2.Swords were also available for use from the "fort's arsenal".( usually these were used by lower clerks, they were also issued to employees as needed.
The type of sword was a personal choice. The most common carried by Upper level employees were "Hangers" or light Calvary styles.
The ?? of cutlasses. In spite of some "authorities" opinions, cutlasses were carried quite often,in certain locals. But IMHO, they were [size=150]not [/size]the [size=150] primary choice[/size] of sword carried by mid to upper level clerks.Cutlasses were considered a common man's weapon, not a gentleman's or officer's weapon.
1.Cutlasses were a part of many of the major post's arsenals.
2. Cutlasses were also a part of the Ship's arsenal. ( HBC' Beaver carried them)
3. Cutlasses were imported by both NWC & HBC for the "Trade"
4. the type of cutlass,if NWC/HBC would have been Brit.
I hope this helps.
Puffer
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 20, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
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Post by: jgr1974 on October 20, 2009, 06:09:51 PM
I am an accouterment maker and plan on doing some selling of wares as well. I want to represent an upper level company man. So looks like i am looking for a full sized sword or saber then?
Do you gentlemen know where I could find refferences or pictures of said weapons?
Post by: jgr1974 on October 20, 2009, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: Puffer on October 20, 2009, 10:16:27 PM
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1. We need to know the general area (local) you wish to be in. Some areas were the province of certain Companies ( example the PNW was solely NWC-HBC (during your time frame)
2.IMHO, read this section, some of your ?? may be answered.
3.Pm me about books to get, to give some background.
4.Same as above as to swords1.
5. As to accouterments, once you choose your Gen. persona, we can advise.
I, as well as others,stand ready to assist. :lt th
Puffer
Post by: jgr1974 on October 20, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 21, 2009, 03:27:55 PM
I think I might be the lone AFC employee other than by Dad who does this with me.
Here's a couple of shots of Dad and I at the SEPR back in April during one of the few hours it wasn't raining that week . . .
http://www.traditionalmuzzleloadingasso ... ic_id=4458 (http://www.traditionalmuzzleloadingassociation.org/forum/phpbb2/album_showpage.php?pic_id=4458)
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Post by: jgr1974 on October 21, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
Looks like the cutlass/sword is out for awhile. I am going to have to save for the fineries of English clothings. Coatee and waistcoat nice shirt and shoes. Hopefully I can have a basic kit by spring!
Jeremy
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 22, 2009, 09:54:39 AM
What year are you looking at being set in?
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Post by: jgr1974 on October 22, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
I haven't done a whole lot of research yet. Going to have to save up for some books first! I did read a little on the www, but nothing solid. Will post more as i learn, that is as long as others do not mind listening to me rambling!
Jeremy
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 26, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
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Post by: jgr1974 on October 26, 2009, 07:56:08 PM
That is truly the most fun of it! I get caught up in the thrill of the hunt, after that, it is all just work!!!
Jeremy
Post by: Sir Michael on October 31, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
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Well thanks to puffer he has pointed me in a pretty good direction. I am honing my persona! Looks like i will be a merchant for the Missouri Fur Trade Company! I have lot of studying and reading to do!!! I need to get some books ordered!:rt th
Looks like the cutlass/sword is out for awhile. I am going to have to save for the fineries of English clothings. Coatee and waistcoat nice shirt and shoes. Hopefully I can have a basic kit by spring!
Jeremy
Post by: jgr1974 on October 31, 2009, 03:44:39 PM
I have a lot to do this winter that is for sure! I can not wait for the cold winter to hit so I can get started!
Jeremy