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The Center of Camp => People of the Times => Topic started by: Muley on December 28, 2015, 10:25:54 AM

Title: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on December 28, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
What is the proper description of a longhunter?

Serious question.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Longhunter on December 28, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
Longhunter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhunter)
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on December 28, 2015, 05:45:05 PM
I knew the answer Ron. I was just looking for what everybody's opinion was.

A little conversation. This forum can always use that.  ;)
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Longhunter on December 28, 2015, 05:48:26 PM
Like Josey Wales said,
"I reckon so...."spit"
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on December 28, 2015, 05:56:46 PM
As he sticks the Walker back in his belt.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: mario on December 31, 2015, 08:40:53 PM
Historically speaking, a longhunter was:

-a man
-usually from PA, VA or the Carolinas
-crossing over the Appalachian Mtns to hunt deer for the skin trade
-part of a group, either friends/relatives that threw in together or an actual commercial company that he worked for.
-Avoided Indians like the plague since they were technically poaching.

What most envision is a stalwart, independent man going it alone to hunt in Indian country, much like the "free trapper". Just not the case.

Mario
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on December 31, 2015, 08:55:11 PM
Very good. Is there anything to them being out a long time for the hunt that the name longhunter came from?
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: mario on January 01, 2016, 03:58:45 PM
First mention of the term that I know of came from 1792.

Likely because the men were usually out for a full season (sometimes longer) rather than just a few days close to home.

Mario
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: cb on January 02, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Some links of interest...like the reading of most historical reports keep an open mind (I take everything with a grain of salt - probably why I have high blood pressure  ;) )and cross reference as much as possible...

STORY OF THE LONGHUNTERS IN THE BEGINNING  (http://www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/Longhunters-beginning.html)

The Longhunters (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmeranderwinfamilies/Homepage/longhunter.html)

Longhunters (http://vagenweb.org/lee/HSpubl35.htm)

The Border Series - The Long Hunters (http://www.mtnlaurel.com/history/1591-the-border-series-the-long-hunters.html)

The Longhunters (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmeranderwinfamilies/Homepage/longhunter.html)
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on January 03, 2016, 10:33:19 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Uncle Russ on January 04, 2016, 06:00:46 PM
Thanks for the posting Chuck!
 :hairy
In reading through some of these, one particular statement caught my attention and has sit my old mind to thinking quite a bit.

Can't rightly say just why I never thought about this before, at least in this light, but all at once it was like a bell went off.

" In the annals of American history there is no braver lot than these early hunters. Not only did they endure the rigorous winters in crude shelters but the danger of sickness, privation, exposure, hunting accidents, and the very real and ever present danger of being scalped by the Indians. They were especially disliked by the Indians, being looked upon as robbers of their hunting grounds, which they truly were, and also, as forerunners of the ever-spreading, land-clearing, soil-tilling settler."

The part about were they were looked upon as "robbers of the Indians own hunting ground" suddenly took on new meaning.
Prior to reading this, I always thought of the land they were hunting was like, free, unexplored, a no-man's land, and open for the taking of game as "anyone" saw fit.
My reason for this thinking was, of course, from my own reading, and from what I had been told going waaaay back to my youthful years.
I've always known their exploits with the native peoples was much more than what the average Settler of that day and time had ever experienced, but I somehow never quite put two and two together to understand the reason why....but suddenly I know, and it all makes sense, IMO

Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Longhunter on January 04, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
This David Wright print "The Station Camp" hangs on the wall near my fireplace. At times when I sit looking at it I see myself as one of the men in the scene....wishful dreaming

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKi9doxoWZ3ky7pu2z3RZ7mbeYsvFbZ3z4C-0QKroEttRmksL4)
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on January 04, 2016, 11:31:52 PM
You do that too huh Ron.

We were born 200 years too late. Well, that's my era. You might go back farther.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Caddo on January 05, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: "Muley"
You do that too huh Ron.

We were born 200 years too late. Well, that's my era. You might go back farther.
I think we all do that :)   Good picture Ron
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Jumpy on January 06, 2016, 12:23:38 AM
For sure! I would love to have been able to walk or ride the wild trails with them men.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Muley on January 06, 2016, 12:55:21 AM
Until the Indians show up, and all we have is one shot. Ok, two shots with a pistol.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Loyalist Dave on March 15, 2016, 10:17:48 AM
One of the biggest problems is that folks have what seems to be an overwhelming tendency to label all of the hunters of the flint era as "long hunters", when in fact it really is a very specific term.  

Coupled with that is the idea that such fellows were incredible woodsmen, in possession of copious amounts of woods lore, in every case.  While rare examples of such men did exist, probably the majority were not, or had advanced skills in some areas such as tracking, or shooting, but in others were quite ignorant.  

People forget there were station hunters, market hunters, expedition hunters, subsistence hunters, and even sport hunters.

LD
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Hanshi on September 14, 2016, 02:03:08 PM
I consider myself a longhunter simply because I've been hunting throughout my life trying to find out what the %#*& I was doing; and always with a longrifle in one hand and a powder horn in the other. :rotf
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Longhunter on February 07, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
"The Long knife"  hangs on my wall with this inscription, " To Ron, one who knows the pull of the woods on a man's soul" David Wright

(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Longhunter1.jpg)
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Fletcher on February 08, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
Yessir  :toast
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Hawken on July 07, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
Muley

That's a guy that goes hunting....gets lost....and stays out a looooonnnngg time!! :toast :hairy
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Hawken on July 21, 2017, 02:35:51 AM
Let's see.... ::)

Takes a bath once a year

Changes his 'drawers' once a year

Has fleas in his beard

Will drink anything smelling remotely like alcohol....including coal oil

Has to think hard....on spelling C A T

Smells like an ape

Has tobacco (when he can get it) juice dripping off his beard

Maybe has a horse???....that's been rode hard and put up wet

Usually has an ugly old woman for a squaw

NOTE:

This will do for a starter! :toast ::) ;D

And the reason they were called 'Longhunters' is cuz they always stayed lost and couldn't find their way back home! Took 'em a long time to get back!

Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Winter Hawk on July 21, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
Sounds more like the trappers in the Western mountains around the 1820s to me.  Longhunters back east fit more the likes of those described by James Fennimore Cooper, in my inexpert opinion.  But what do I know....

~WH~
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: amm1851 on July 21, 2017, 10:11:57 PM
Sorry. Thought it was funny. Won't happen again.
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Winter Hawk on July 22, 2017, 08:05:29 PM
But what do I know....

Oooh, slap me again!  Or better yet, just remove my whole post....   :Doh!   :laffing

~WH~
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Hawken on July 23, 2017, 12:28:47 PM
Sounds more like the trappers in the Western mountains around the 1820s to me.  Longhunters back east fit more the likes of those described by James Fennimore Cooper, in my inexpert opinion.  But what do I know....

~WH~

You're right! But....one has to consider the object of my posting??

To get Muley FIRED UP!! :bl th up :toast :laffing
Title: Re: Longhunter?
Post by: Winter Hawk on July 23, 2017, 05:52:14 PM
ARRGH!  NO, NO NO!  Please put that back up, Amm1851! 

I also was making an attempt at humor in my reply; the link was very informative and NO offense was taken.  In fact, I didn't have time to read the whole thing and was looking forward clicking on it and to getting better educated.  And if I offended you in any way, please accept my apologies as that was NOT my intent.

~WH~