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Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: RobD on August 02, 2016, 09:00:24 AM

Title: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on August 02, 2016, 09:00:24 AM
Old eyes like mine can all too easily have issues with iron "U" and buckhorn style rear barrel sights. Been thinking on this for awhile and come up with an easy, fast and non-invasive solution that has been working really well for me. I use powerful neodymium (rare earth) ring magnets magnetically stuck to rear iron sights. Once stuck they won't budge unless some goodly force is applied. They can be moved up/down and left/right as the rear sight allows. Just look through the magnet "peep" and it'll automatically center the tip of yer front sight perfectly, every time. These little ring magnets are less than a buck each and I get mine in different outside and inside diameters from kjmagnetics online.

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Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Sneakon on August 02, 2016, 09:19:32 AM
Great idea!
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Hanshi on August 02, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
That idea never occurred to me.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: rollingb on August 02, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
Cool idea!!!!!!  :rt th
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: greyhunter on August 02, 2016, 11:36:51 AM
:hairy  I'm up for that!
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Uncle Russ on August 02, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Good information!
Thanks for sharing.
 :hairy
 
Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: One Shot on August 03, 2016, 01:47:32 AM
Wow! Who woulda thought....... great idea, thanks for sharing...

Now, where does one buy them?
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on August 03, 2016, 05:38:09 AM
i get mine here ...    K&J Magnetics: Neodymium Ring Magnets  (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=16)
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2016, 01:19:09 AM
How well do they stay put under recoil?

Ironhand
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on August 04, 2016, 05:26:05 AM
Quote from: "Ironhand"
How well do they stay put under recoil?

Ironhand

you must not be familiar with the incredible strength of neodymium rare earth magnets - they laugh at the recoil of 90 grains of swiss 3F and .600" 323 grain ball!  you simply can't easily move a neo mag that's stuck like glue to a piece of iron.  it's hard enuf to move the sucker by hand.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Uncle Russ on August 04, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: "rfd"
Quote from: "Ironhand"
How well do they stay put under recoil?

Ironhand

you must not be familiar with the incredible strength of neodymium rare earth magnets - they laugh at the recoil of 90 grains of swiss 3F and .600" 323 grain ball!  you simply can't easily move a neo mag that's stuck like glue to a piece of iron.  it's hard enuf to move the sucker by hand.
That's enough to get me on-board!
 :hairy

Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Skychief on August 21, 2016, 09:30:00 AM
rfd, thanks a lot for sharing this with us!

A couple questions....Do you know if these are able to be shaped with a file fairly easy?  I can see how filing one to form a base on its edge, then attaching said edge upon the top barrel flat would make for a clean looking peep sight.

Another question is, if a guy can file a flat spot on an edge as described above, would that edge attach to a barrel flat, or, is it what the "faces" of the magnets that are attracted to steel?

Finally, if all of the above will work, are the magnets strong enough to "stay put" attached to the barrel flat by only the flat edge which has been filed into it?

Really appreciate your posting this as I'm having more trouble with open sights , especially in the shadowy squirrel woods this year.

Best regards, Skychief
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on August 21, 2016, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: "Skychief"
rfd, thanks a lot for sharing this with us!

A couple questions....Do you know if these are able to be shaped with a file fairly easy?  I can see how filing one to form a base on its edge, then attaching said edge upon the top barrel flat would make for a clean looking peep sight.

no, neodymium rare earth magnets are preformed and don't take kindly to filing or drilling.  direct, intense heat is not good for magnets, either.

however, flat sided neo's with center holes are available from -    K&J Magnetics: Countersunk Magnets  (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=173) - they're thickness magnetized, and may require another similar flat edged neo placed in front (or behind) one that's to stand vertically on its edge.


Another question is, if a guy can file a flat spot on an edge as described above, would that edge attach to a barrel flat, or, is it what the "faces" of the magnets that are attracted to steel?

neo mags come in varying magnetic (gauss factor) strengths according to their size and composition.  choosing a thicker or overall larger magnet will make it stronger.  KJ lists their neo mag offerings in pounds of pull strength.  as an example, this 1/2" square by 1/4" thick neo has 9-1/2 pounds of attraction strength - that's a LOT!

(http://www.kjmagnetics.com/prodimages2/250/B884DCSone.jpg)

Finally, if all of the above will work, are the magnets strong enough to "stay put" attached to the barrel flat by only the flat edge which has been filed into it?

see my comments above!

Really appreciate your posting this as I'm having more trouble with open sights , especially in the shadowy squirrel woods this year.

that's the idea - poor vision focus is always increased via a rear aperture.

Best regards, Skychief
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Skychief on August 21, 2016, 11:02:11 AM
THANK YOU rfd for the quick and thorough response!!!

I plan to monkey around here today with some sheet brass for making a hillbilly, L-shaped aperture sight attached by the rifles tang screw.  I like the magnet idea real well and hope to place an order.

I never thought my vision would get to where it has, but, I'm soon to join the ranks with the "old timers".

Thanks much again for sharing this idea here, Skychief
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on August 21, 2016, 11:46:13 AM
my pleasure, skychief.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: HawkeyeMama on January 15, 2017, 01:15:13 PM
What thoughts does anyone have about trying this is construct a small shader? I was thinking I could buy three, thin, flat, square or rectangle shapes and build a little box shader for my front sight.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on January 15, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
welcome to the forum, HawkeyeMama  :wave

well, i think that'll work as long as the front blade and mags used were all of the right dimensions, and there was enuf room on the top barrel flat.  that little "house" would sure give shade, if that was what's needed.  the other alternative is a  17a globe front, with the advantage of variable apertures, as well as the shade feature.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: HawkeyeMama on January 15, 2017, 07:28:30 PM
Thanks Rob! I shoot in Yadkin Valley Long Ruffles and certain shoots have different criteria and that was one of the advantages of the magnet idea, I could easily remove the "shade" as required.  I am interested in the globe sights, I shoot a Jamestown/Ohio style cap lock that my Dad built and it has traditional iron sights, buck horn on the rear. I have trouble focusing on my front sight, especially in the sun.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: HawkeyeMama on January 15, 2017, 07:29:18 PM
That's Riffles not Ruffles, lol.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: RobD on January 15, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
ruffles or rifles, it's all good.  :)

and yes - aperture/peep sights are illegal at many events/matches, so having a peep and/or shaded front that can be pulled off for such shooting makes sense.
Title: Re: neodymium magnet apertures for iron sights
Post by: Uncle Russ on January 15, 2017, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Rob DiStefano
ruffles or rifles, it's all good.  :)

and yes - aperture/nomany events/matches, so having a peep and/or shaded front that can be pulled off for such shooting makes sense.[/ quote]

Me thinks that Rob DiStefano is a pretty helpful fella, on a lot of good stuff!

Uncle Russ...