Post by: Puffer on December 29, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
Scots were VERY involved in the Fur Trade as well as exploration of this cont.
here are 2 sites to look @. (the 1st is more "extensive than the 2nd.) http://www.electricscotland.com/history ... appers.htm (http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/fur_trappers.htm)
http://www.visitdunkeld.com/scottish-trivia-250.htm (http://www.visitdunkeld.com/scottish-trivia-250.htm)
Now another thing to concider, are you a "Highlander" or "Lowlander" ??
here is a site that may help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_clan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_clan)
I do wear the kilt & the tartan, (even though I am a "Lowlander"{Black Douglas}, but by my time it was "acceptable for "lowlanders to do so)
Have fun
Puffer
Post by: tg on December 29, 2007, 03:29:30 PM
Post by: Puffer on December 29, 2007, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: "tg"
Very good info I was able to trace the Loban side of the family back to the highlands, an ex-wife had all this om paper at one time and burned it when we parted company. Thanks for posting it.
Sept of the MacLennans ???
Puffer
Post by: jasontn on December 29, 2007, 04:16:45 PM
Post by: Firewalker on December 29, 2007, 09:20:46 PM
Post by: Puffer on December 30, 2007, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: "Firewalker"
Thanks for the links Puffer. Very informative. I learned a lot I didn't know before.
Were on the "map" did your "people call home ??
Puffer
Post by: Firewalker on December 30, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
Unfotunately, by the time I was old enough to be interested in the family roots the Great Grans were gone for the most part, and my grandmother was only interested in being "American". Lots of shirt tail relatives my folks lost track of.
Post by: Minnesota Mike on December 31, 2007, 09:45:12 AM
Have not come across much written to indicate that kilts were part of the fur trade attire as it were.
Of course - have no been looking either.
Great book on this topic called "Twa Tribes Scots Among the Native Americans : Scots Among the Native Americans Hugo Reid, Alexander Ross, and Charles McKenzie" by Tom Bryan.
Book Description
Many Scots were involved in the European exploration and settlement of North America and began new lives as settlers, explorers, trappers and missionaries. Some even adapted to Indian ways so readily that they became tribal leaders. Twa Tribes is the story of three Scots who went against the attitudes and prejudices of the day, assumed the language and culture of the tribes they encountered and even married into them. These were pioneering individuals with a respect for the land and its people, and this is a vivid record of their experiences and their achievements.
Synopsis
This is an enlightening account of three pioneering Scots and the special relationships they had with the native people of North America. Hugo Reid, Alexander Ross and Charles McKenzie fought against the attitudes of prejudice of their day and assumed the language and culture of the tribes they encountered and married into. This is the fascinating story of their experiences and achievements in a land far away from their Scottish birthplace.
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MM
Post by: RDavidP on December 31, 2007, 03:51:28 PM
Post by: Puffer on March 22, 2008, 03:17:59 PM
On the cover of "Scottish Firearms" by Claude Blair & Robert Woosnam-Savage ( Historical Arms series) is a Scots steel pistol owned by William McGillivray, a Chief Director of the NWC
1. It is the "classic" scroll but steel pistol. Made by Jn. Murdoch of Doune
2 It is heavily engraved. On the right grip, it has the NWC Crest & the initials WM. On the left grip,the NWC Arms[albumimg:36tetzsk]2710[/albumimg:36tetzsk]
Puffer
Post by: Minnesota Mike on March 22, 2008, 04:42:50 PM
Does anyone sell pistols like that?
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MM
Post by: Puffer on March 22, 2008, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Minnesota Mike"
Cool.
Does anyone sell pistols like that?
r/
MM
YEP.
A. you can buy an inexpensive one fron Middlesex Vill. ( unengraved) & the find an egraver to engrave it
B. Or you can order the parts from here http://www.therifleshoppe.com/(532 (http://www.therifleshoppe.com/(532)).htm NOTE- the hammer is different (an earlier style) but what the heck. :lt th
Puffer
Post by: Spotted Bull on June 02, 2008, 06:23:21 AM
Post by: KHickam on June 02, 2008, 09:28:54 AM
There are Lucky's, Copelands, Croslands. Wipples, McGregors, Polks, Watson's, Grahams, as well as shirt tail Boones. All strung together in my family tree -
But, my main line (Patriachial) and surname are Ulster-Scots. Hickam
But, now tying it to the discussion - I am busy researching a persona of an Irish-Scot trader/trapper working for Manuel Lisa at Ft Manuel in 1812-13.
Post by: Minnesota Mike on June 02, 2008, 11:00:29 AM
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MM
Post by: Spotted Bull on June 02, 2008, 11:07:10 AM
Post by: Minnesota Mike on June 02, 2008, 01:35:18 PM
The Scots were heavily involved in the fur trade, the germans were not.
A lot Germans in the westward movement from initial settlements going into Shenandoah valley and into Pennsylvania, western New York. A lot of skilled trademen - especially gunmakers - were German.
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MM
Post by: Spotted Bull on June 02, 2008, 01:47:58 PM
Post by: Minnesota Mike on June 02, 2008, 02:05:13 PM
Should be very interesting researching out how they built the rifles back in the day and being conversant enough with that to talk the talk as your persona. Very interesting indeed.
And there should be ample research material out there for you to indulge in. I'm positive that the folks here can point you in the right direction for some outstanding reference material. I'd post in the Gun Building forum that you want to portray a gunbuilder of German extraction in year _____ and are looking for reference material as to how you would have accomplished you trade and the tools you would have used.
Bet you get a bevy of responses.
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MM
Post by: Puffer on June 02, 2008, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: "KHickam"
So, what happens if 1/2 your family is Ulster-Scots and the other 1/4 are Highlanders with the other 1/4 being Lowland Scots. That was before coming to America obviously.
There are Lucky's, Copelands, Croslands. Wipples, McGregors, Polks, Watson's, Grahams, as well as shirt tail Boones. All strung together in my family tree -
But, my main line (Patriachial) and surname are Ulster-Scots. Hickam
But, now tying it to the discussion - I am busy researching a persona of an Irish-Scot trader/trapper working for Manuel Lisa at Ft Manuel in 1812-13.
Puffer
Post by: nessy357 on August 09, 2008, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: "RoaringBull"
On my Mother's side I am a Nesbit from the Lowlands northern coast. I was able to trace her side two generations back into Scotland. I believe that there is a Nesbitt house still standing there, though not owned by a Nesbitt at this time.Another Nesbitt right here RB, I can only trace my family to Ireland,in the late 1800's. I surmise they went to Ireland after the battle of Culloden Moor and the subsequent break up of the clans.
No proof just a hunch.
My Mother was a McGuire, and a homesick warbride, so back in '52 the family moved to Scotland.We returned back to Canada in '66
Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
Cheers Bob
Post by: Spotted Bull on August 11, 2008, 07:01:34 PM
Anyway, I used ancestory.com and their free trial period and got a lot of info that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Nesbitt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Nesbitt) is a good site as well. I can get ya a copy of our tartan if ya be needin it.
Post by: nessy357 on August 13, 2008, 12:18:59 AM
Very interesting , I passed them on to my brothers also. My youngest brother is making a family tree at http://www.tribalpages.com (http://www.tribalpages.com)
Cheers Bob.
Post by: RichW on August 13, 2008, 10:21:41 AM
http://www.houseoftartan.co.uk/house/tfinder.htp (http://www.houseoftartan.co.uk/house/tfinder.htp)
For Nisbit, I get
http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland.net ... Nisbet.gif (http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland.net/gifhold/2115k5Nisbet.gif)
Dating to 1842
Nisbitt Rose Dress only dates to 1981
http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland.net ... isbett.gif (http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland.net/gifhold/0946k5Nisbett.gif)