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What the mountain man wore
« on: January 16, 2006, 03:47:24 PM »
Here is a site, you might find interesting
http://www.northwestjournal.ca/charactr.html

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 04:57:17 PM »
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A CANADIAN WEB SITE BEING COMPANY MEN AND ALL, INTERESTING FOR SURE BUT MOST OF THOSE BOYS HAD ACCESS TO CHRISTIAN CLOTHING THRU THE FORTS.ID JUST AS SOON WEAR MY SKINS, HELL ID WEAR THEM EVERYDAY IFN I WOULDNT BE GETTN FUNNY LOOKS FROM JOHNNY LAW WHEN I WAS OUT IN PUBLIC! YOU SHOULD SEE THE LOOKS WE GET WHEN WE'RE AT A RONDY AND HAVE TO RUN INTO TOWN FOR A RESUPPLY OF  OUR FAVORITE BEVERAGE OR ICE, WE NEVER CHANGE, MAKES FLATLANDERS KINDA NERVOUS SOMETIMES
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 07:42:06 PM »
well pufer , seems my smoke signals worked and  the fella i was telling you about  is now a new memeber .
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 09:09:38 PM »
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Here is a site, you might find interesting
http://www.northwestjournal.ca/charactr.html

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(Following is an excerpt from the site listed above:............)

ART. III. Living History — Selecting a Character
Being a discussion of some characters to portray during reenactments.

A character can be a very useful tool to re-enactors. If you have a firm idea of what kind of person you are going to portray, and from what period, it can help you avoid confusion that could lead to costly or embarrassing mistakes in your portrayal. Over the summer many club members have asked for pointers on what kind of character they should try to depict. To help answer their questions, the following is a portrait—in very broad strokes—of some of the characters of the fur trade before 1821.

Mountain Man

One of the most popular characters in the U.S. is the American Mountain Man or 'buckskinner'. Such a look is characterized by a complete wardrobe made from buckskin, usually in an Indian style—war shirt, breech-clout, leggings, moccasins, etc., with a fur hat and lots of quillwork or beadwork.
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 :shock:  SAY WHAT?? :shock:

The above description of the mountain man's wardrobe, goes aginst nearly everything I've researched in regards to what the trappers commonly wore. (especialy the "war shirts" and to some degree "breech-clouts",.... not to mention "lots of quillwork or beadwork") :shock:

Somebody please correct me if I'm mistaken, but the above description sounds (to me) as if it was complied from a Holiwood movie. :laffing
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 09:28:47 PM »
George Ruxton's description of what was often the mountaineer's "outfit and dressage",....

On starting for a hunt, the trapper fits himself out with the necessary equipment, either from the Indian trading-forts, or from some of the petty traders -- coureurs des bois -- who frequent the western country. This equipment consists usually of two or three horses or mules - one for saddle, the others for packs - and six traps, which are carried in a bag of leather called a trap-sack. Ammunition, a few pounds of tobacco, dressed deer-skins for moccasins, &c., are carried in a wallet of dressed buffalo-skin called a possible-sack. His "possibles" and "trap-sack" are generally carried on the saddle-mule when hunting, the others being packed with the furs. The costume of the trapper is a hunting-shirt of dressed buckskin, ornamented with long fringes; pantaloons of the same material, and decorated with porcupine-quills and long fringes down the outside of the leg, a flexible felt hat and moccasins clothe his extremities. Over his left shoulder and under his right arm hang his powder-horn and bullet-pouch, in which he carries his balls, flint and steel, and odds and ends of all kinds. Round the waist is a belt, in which is stuck a large butcher-knife in a sheath of buffalo-hide, made fast to the belt by a chain or guard of steel; which also supports a little buckskin case containing a whetstone. A tomahawk is also often added; and, of course, a long heavy rifle is part and parcel of his equipment. I had nearly forgotten the pipe-holder, which hangs round his neck, and is generally a gage d'amour, and a triumph of squaw workmanship, in shape of a heart, garnished with beads and porcupine-quills. Thus provided, and having determined the locality of his trapping-ground, he starts to the mountains, sometimes alone, sometimes with three or four in company, as soon as the breaking up of the ice allows him to commence operations.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2006, 09:58:15 PM »
Seems to me from most of the reading ive done that they would wear what ever they could to cover their bare backsides! Most started out from St. Louis wearing "christian clothing", as time wore on and these clothes wore out who knows? if they were lucky to have been near and traded with a friendly tribe they were usually wearing skins, and the even more lucky of the bunch that had taken a native wife were probably well clothed in skins and mocs, of course they would trade or purchase some cloth shirts and what have you at the yearly rondy, as well as the native tribes that would gather at the later rondys were leaving with calicos, woolens, and whatever struck their fancies or needs, just because a traders list of what was ordered or shipped to a rondy says cloth clothing, doesnt mean thats what they only wore, seems like if it was available and they could afford it they had it! specially in the warmer months, probably wore some form of cloth shirt, sleeved or not and skins for the bottom side? maybe, or just a clout? maybe, or naked? maybe! who knows for sure, mix and match seems to work just fine! IMHO
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2006, 10:51:48 PM »
Beaverman,.... I agree, however I think today far too much "emphsis" is placed upon such clothing as "war shirts" having been worn by the fur trappers.

I can't find one single documented written reference of anyone having ever witnessed such an occasion as a trapper wearing a "war shirt".

Trappers wearing,....
Spanish armour, and etc.,.... YES! :laffing
Indian war shirts,.... NO!

If someone could shed some light on such a "historical reference",.... I'd certainly appreciate it.

Until then, I consider such shirts to be more of a "fad" exhibited at modern rendezvous
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2006, 11:38:14 PM »
Rufus Sage gives the following description of the mountaineers:........ (taken from his transcripts of 1846)

His  dress and appearance are equally singular. His skin, from constant exposure, assumes a hue almost as dark as that of the Aborigine, and his features and physical structure attain a rough and hardy cast. His hair, through inattention, becomes long, coarse, and bushy, and loosely dangles upon his shoulders. His head is surmounted by a low crowned wool-hat, or a rude substitute of his own manufacture. His clothes are of buckskin, gaily fringed at the seams with strings of the same material, cut and made in a fashion peculiar to himself and associates. The deer and buffalo furnish him the required covering for his feet, which he fabricates at the impulse of want. His waist is encircled with a belt of leather, holding encased his butcher-knife and pistols—while from his neck is suspended a bullet-pouch securely fastened to the belt in front, and beneath the right arm hangs a powder-horn transversely from his shoulder, behind which, upon the strap attached to it, are affixed his bullet-mould, ball-screw, wiper, awl, &c. With a gun-stick made of some hard wood, and a good rifle placed in his hands, carrying from thirty to thirty-five balls to the pound, the reader will have before him a correct likeness of a genuine mountaineer, when fully equipped.

This costume prevails not only in the mountains proper, but also in the less settled portions of Oregon and California. The mountaineer is his own manufacturer, tailor, shoemaker, and butcher; and, fully accoutered and supplied with ammunition in a good game country, he can always feed and clothe himself, and enjoy all the comforts his situation affords. No wonder, then, his proud spirit, expanding with the intuitive knowledge of noble independence, becomes devotedly attached to those regions and habits that permit him to stalk forth, a sovereign amid nature's loveliest works.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2006, 12:20:14 AM »
Excerpt from Charle Larpenteur's "Forty Years a Fur Trapper", as he describes the cloths he wore during the construction of Fort William located at the mouth of the Yellowstone in 1833-34.

After this our work was changed in some respects. I was appointed carter, as I was not a very good hand with an ax, and soon equipped with an old cart purchased from some of the half-breeds, who had come over early in the fall, and an American horse, which had been brought to this place by Paulette Desjardins, who had come with us as a freeman, but had sold his small outfit to Mr. Campbell and engaged in the capacity of cook. This horse was an old, overgrown, broken-winded beast, which would groan tremendously on starting his load, and keep it up for about a hundred yards afterward, at which I could not help laughing. Here I am, a regular carter of Fort William, dressed in cowskin pants, cowskin coat, buckskin shirt, wolfskin cap, red flannel undershirt, and a blue check shirt over that, stepping along behind my old horse and cart. This great suit was intended to last my time out, under faithful promise, made to myself, to leave the country as soon as my engagement should be up; for I began to find that I was in a bad box.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2006, 01:06:12 AM »
I agree that a war shirt would be quite inappropriate, a buckskin shirt with some bead or quill is fine but a shirt with much more and scalp locks etc or a ghost shirt would be out of line, unless you are going to a rondy as native and a ghost shirt would still be inappropriate to our time frame, late indian wars time frame for this item, I have several items left from when I used to pow wow, a very nice Blackfoot made roach, breats plates and bandoliers made by myself etc. i have considered going to rondy as a native, but do not want to offend anyone, especially here in WA we have several local native people who rondy,I would go more as a tribute with the proper attitude and respect for my brother native people,afetr all the later years at rondy had several diff native peoples at them, like i said i used to pow wow, danced for over 20 years at pw in ILL and many in CA, never had a problem attending and participating, never danced in competition for the money as although I look like I may have native blood, I can not prove it! I agree that over beaded shirts with locks etc on them are very HOLLYWIERD!
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2006, 07:43:41 AM »
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Until then, I consider such shirts to be more of a "fad" exhibited at modern rendezvous

rollingb...I know I'm getting ready to catch it, but I would throw the breech cloth (clout) in there with the warshirt.  I don't think they were near as common as some folks want them to be.  In fact (here it comes) I think they were the exception rather than the rule (there I said it).  
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2006, 08:34:28 AM »
I don't think a breech clout was the norm for a working trapper but they can be mighty comfortable in warm weather. :P
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2006, 10:08:36 AM »
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Until then, I consider such shirts to be more of a "fad" exhibited at modern rendezvous

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rollingb...I know I'm getting ready to catch it, but I would throw the breech cloth (clout) in there with the warshirt.  I don't think they were near as common as some folks want them to be.  In fact (here it comes) I think they were the exception rather than the rule (there I said it).  
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That's why I took acception to the entire following description from the initial "link",.....
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 Mountain Man

One of the most popular characters in the U.S. is the American Mountain Man or 'buckskinner'. Such a look is characterized by a complete wardrobe made from buckskin, usually in an Indian style—war shirt, breech-clout, leggings, moccasins, etc., with a fur hat and lots of quillwork or beadwork.

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Now I know "breech clouts" are a darn handy item to wear around water and in hot weather, but I've never seen historical journals or diaries refer to them as characteristicaly worn by the mountaineers.

In fact the same could be said for "lots of quillwork or beadwork",.... the "link" above would have the reader believe all the mountaineers characteristicaly wore such stuff, yet the descriptions from "first hand accounts" (taken from journals and diaries of the period)  does not bear this out.

I don't know what "historical references" the link above used, but I'd be interested in knowing,.... until then I see it as,... huh,... er,.... huh,.... shall we say "misleading"!! :laffing
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2006, 10:44:15 AM »
OK, what would be a typical head-to-toe of "Christian" wear for a trapper just leaving St. Louie, and before this style of clothes wore out?  (Thets what i wanna gitt)

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2006, 11:21:40 AM »
SSE, you may want to look at a pair of drop front pants of a heavy cotton material such as cotton duck or a mid weight canvas, drop sleeve shirt of cotton or linen, hob nail riding style boots or shoes, look at fugawee web page for a start on foot wear, unless you are a "gentleman" from the era, now your talking more formal wear.
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