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Author Topic: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"  (Read 700 times)

Offline mario

Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2014, 06:19:24 PM »
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I loved watching the Patriot especially when he picked up the balls cast from the lead solders right after they were cast. He must have had God on his side for that.

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My favorite part is the tavern scene.

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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 01:07:19 AM »
Give a goodly chunk of your reading time to the chronicles of the life of Nathaniel Bumpo and read all five of the "Leatherstocking Tales." Do NOT read them in the order of their publication. You'll be jumping around in his life that way. Cooper didn't write them from first to last in Bumpo's life. Here's the proper order:

The Deerslayer
The Last of the Mohicans
The Pathfinder
The Pioneers
The Prarie

Cooper was an interesting man. His writings of the sea rise from his own days before the mast. He first went to sea at age 17, IIRC, and wrangled a commission as a Midshipman in the Navy by virtue of his wealthy father's time as a Congressman. Cooper inherited fairly vast wealth at about the age of 20, which afforded him the freedom to write, although how he came to pen his first novel is an interesting, but separate, tale.

A couple of his novels of which I'm sort of fond are "Wing and Wing" (sea tale) and "Oak Openings or the Bee Hunter" (set in Michigan in 1812). A lot of Cooper can be had as free downloads these days.

Cooper was born after much of what he wrote about, and was totally fiction when it was first published, some of it rather deep into the 19th century. He was pretty popular in Europe at the time. Fun reading once you adapt to the language of another time. But, hey, we go after those times in clothing, food, firearms, tentage, and so forth, so why not immerse yourself in the written language of the time as well. Just takes diving in and devoting a little time to it, just like those other skills and endeavors.
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 11:13:52 AM »
An interesting little side note on LOTM.
Prior to its starting production, we were contacted about supplying 50 shooting bags and a small number of powder horns, which we did.
Now, I am not sure how many times I have watched that movie, both on the big screen and on tape/DVD.  In all those viewings, I have only seen but one of the bags and none of the horns.
By the way, the bag was carried by Wes Studi.
Wonder where the rest of the stuff went?   :Doh!
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2014, 06:27:28 PM »
They went home - in re-enactors pockets. John

Great place where they will be used for what they are!!!!!!!!

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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 10:39:46 AM »
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2014, 02:41:18 PM »
Unfortunately a lot of people can't or won't make that distinction.  

Like you I take most movies as entertainment not documentaries.  I've taken to looking up the facts about events that could be historical in nature and find that most of the time they bear little resemblance to actual history.  Case in point, I started watching "Da Vinci's Demons" one character constantly wears a pair of four lens sun glasses.  Just one problem, the period of the show is around 1470 and those glasses were not invented until 1797.  But they look good.  Its historical fiction not historical fact.

Offline huntinguy

Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2014, 11:17:15 AM »
Wasn't so much of a fan of the "Prairie" the others were fun though.

From what I read he did a good deal of  political writing until... well, he wasn't popular with his opinions and backed off those writings in the states.

So, other than the balls, enlighten a old geezer on some of the other "errors", if ya don't mind.
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Offline mario

Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2014, 11:49:40 PM »
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So, other than the balls, enlighten a old geezer on some of the other "errors", if ya don't mind.

Off the top of my head:

The impression given of Hawkeye/Nathaniel is that of a longhunter. Such did not exist in NY.

The rifle made for the movie (DDL version) is not only of the wrong style, but rifles were very rare at that time in NY.

I know of no images or descriptions of men simply wearing their long hair loose at the time/place.

The shirt Nathaniel wears, not even close to an original image or artifact. Especially since it was supposed to be a hunting shirt which isn't documented before 1768-ish.

The actual "ambush/massacre" did not take place out in the woods, but at the gates of FWH. The Indians also went in and dug up graves to steal from them and killed men in the fort's hospital, unknowingly bringing back smallpox to their villages.

Then of course are the buses in the scene of the fort's surrender and the "Indian" in the black "wife-beater" shirt during the ambush... 8)

I'd have to watch it again for more specific points.

Mario

Offline Geezer in NH

Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2014, 07:55:02 PM »
It's a movie from HW it was fun to watch unlike most they put out.

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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2014, 10:29:05 PM »
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It's a movie from HW it was fun to watch unlike most they put out.
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2014, 06:49:43 PM »
Looks like I need to watch it more closely next time.
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2014, 07:17:16 PM »
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Looks like I need to watch it more closely next time.

Or, you could forget all of that, sit back and enjoy the movie! It was never meant to be historically accurate. It's meant to be entertaining.
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2014, 08:55:44 AM »
FYI: Wally World has what appears to be a seasonal carboard display of a bunch of movies, expensive on the top, cheap on the bottom. Last of the Mohicans, on the bottom, $3. Can't beat it.
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Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2014, 11:16:13 AM »
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the "Indian" in the black "wife-beater" shirt during the ambush

I hadn't known about that but took a good look, and sure enough, along with the guy in the plaid shirt that releases the buck for hawkeye to shoot in the opening scenes... in the ambush right after the girls dismount from their horse, in from the right side of the screen come two Indians, and the second is a bearded dude in a headband wearing the black wife-beater.   :lol:

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Offline druid

Re: Just watched "The Movie, Last of the Mohicans"
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2015, 01:45:55 AM »
This thread is old I know - but I'm new to this forum and I live in the town where the 'inspiration" for Cooper's character "Chingachgook" had lived, and is now buried....

Model For Cooper's Indian Chingachgook Buried In Bethlehem Those Moravian `Mohicans' - Morning Call

According to that article [and others of less interesting detail], most information for the novel [on which the movie is based] was derived from Moravian missionaries who wrote about their involvement and dealings with the Mohicans [as well as other tribes of the area].

Moravian records here are vast - VOLUMES are contained in Moravian Libraries all over the city - to include the "rare books section" at Lehigh University's Linderman Library List of Lehigh University buildings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It can't be all THAT impractical as far as "basic/general accuracy" goes. I mean sure.....they created a movie...and movies can often use fact + fiction to create the final product [See the Da Vinci Code as 1 example] - but if you consider that Moravian clergy were recording their interactions, thoughts and impressions about the lives and times of the era ...and Cooper used that information in his novels....can this really be dismissed as a "complete fabrication?"
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