Post by: Flinchlock on May 12, 2019, 11:49:45 AM
In reenacting, they call folks that insist on this this kind of thing "stitch Nazis". I don't think it's bad, per-se, only when over the top. If one is trying to help, it can be good. When criticizing or attacking, well, to me, it's wrong. I was on a trekking fb group and was asking about footwear because I have diabetes and need support, etc. anyway I got some good info, with many agreeing and giving advice. Of course, you had a few "harder than hard" heroes telling me I was wrong. But the kicker was the group owner who called me a "farb". How nice. He eventually booted me for something that was not explained. Do you think I will forget him? He could have pm-ed on this, but didn't... My point is, sure something that isn't correct is glaring, but I try to ignore it. Someone in a great say, colonial kit, but wearing modern glasses or sunglasses... I just try to ignore it. I do Roman reenacting and some folks get upset that we don't allow eyewear... they didn't have it. Either contacts or do without. Perhaps some of the real small medieval glasses. Anyway, some just don't get it... perhaps our group isn't for you. I would never go. To another's event or group and tell them they are wrong... if they ask, I might give advice, but it's not my place. Okay, with my brother maybe, I think Walker Colts are junk, but hey... :laffing
Seriously, I just don't think pic and he are bad. Just when you try to force your beliefs on others.
Now, down my soapbox, will I step. Sometimes rambling and venting is good.
Post by: rollingb on May 12, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
I see folks posting about pc or hc like it's a bad thing... I am guessing, after some guessing, that this is period-correct and historically correct? If so, why is it bad?
In reenacting, they call folks that insist on this this kind of thing "stitch Nazis". I don't think it's bad, per-se, only when over the top. If one is trying to help, it can be good. When criticizing or attacking, well, to me, it's wrong. I was on a trekking fb group and was asking about footwear because I have diabetes and need support, etc. anyway I got some good info, with many agreeing and giving advice. Of course, you had a few "harder than hard" heroes telling me I was wrong. But the kicker was the group owner who called me a "farb". How nice. He eventually booted me for something that was not explained. Do you think I will forget him? He could have pm-ed on this, but didn't... My point is, sure something that isn't correct is glaring, but I try to ignore it. Someone in a great say, colonial kit, but wearing modern glasses or sunglasses... I just try to ignore it. I do Roman reenacting and some folks get upset that we don't allow eyewear... they didn't have it. Either contacts or do without. Perhaps some of the real small medieval glasses. Anyway, some just don't get it... perhaps our group isn't for you. I would never go. To another's event or group and tell them they are wrong... if they ask, I might give advice, but it's not my place. Okay, with my brother maybe, I think Walker Colts are junk, but hey... :laffing
Seriously, I just don't think pic and he are bad. Just when you try to force your beliefs on others.
Now, down my soapbox, will I step. Sometimes rambling and venting is good.
While the sharing of historical (period correct) information on the TMA forum is ALWAYS encouraged,.... anyone giving our TMA members (and/or guests) an unnecessary "hard time", will likely be shown the door. :) :bl th up
Post by: Flinchlock on May 12, 2019, 02:18:26 PM
People nowadays seem to think they can control others. If it's YOUR event sure, but don't come to my event and tell me that certain things are/are not allowed. Anyway, I don't think pc hc it whatever is a curse word. Years ago, I was on the other ml forum. I didna like it much and don't go back very often.
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 12, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
I do have to add this 'cause I can't resist, (and I won't say where this took place)... I watched a feller give another feller very friendly guidance on being HC & PC and as I say - he was very nice about it right down to his shoestring tied modern boots - right up to the TC Hawken in the crock of his arm... :laffing
But hey, they were friends - and the effort by both parties looked pretty equal to me. :toast
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not either HC or PC, but I pass (what one might call) muster for the Rendezvous I attend. And I will say that sharing a camp area with some AMM members at our annual Rendezvous - those were some pretty darn dedicated and educated fellers. You couldn't help but admire them and I give them high marks as they stayed within their HC/PC persona and it was a joy to watch and talk with some of 'em... Great group, and that was the path they chose. :bl th up
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Post by: Oldetexian on May 12, 2019, 10:47:42 PM
On top of this I see this as a wonderful hobby...and the best part of the hobby is learning and perfecting my persona. When I reach perfection I will try something else. Until then I plan on treating those around me like I would like to be treated...a pilgrim that has a long way to go who is doing the best he can with the information he's got. Part of the fun is being with a group that helps each other until we all get to where we want to be.
Post by: Flinchlock on May 12, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
It's like with guns... I see guys sneering at old CVA and T/C guns
WTH? I've also seen plenty of matches won with those guns. I've seen guys with fancy custom guns not win. For the most part, all of these guns shoot better than we can. Anyway, I still think bp people are better (as in nicer) than other gun types. I point out to many of them that zombies ain't real.M
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Post by: Winter Hawk on May 12, 2019, 11:18:55 PM
Someone in a great say, colonial kit, but wearing modern glasses or sunglasses... I just try to ignore it.
I got a kick out of the photo of Dick "Beau Jacques" House on page 1 of the first Book of Buckskinning, decked out in leathers with a straw hat on his head, modern eye glasses on his nose, and a digital watch on his wrist. He wrote about "The philosophy of Buckskinning." It was looser back in 1981 on what you wore at rendezvous, I guess.
~Kees~
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 12, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
Thanks for bringing this up. I totally agree that it' about the spirit of the law and not the letter. I love to have folks offer me helpful advice about being period or historically correct. Learning from mentors is a short cut as far as I am concerned. It saves an enormous amount of time, effort and money.
On top of this I see this as a wonderful hobby...and the best part of the hobby is learning and perfecting my persona. When I reach perfection I will try something else. Until then I plan on treating those around me like I would like to be treated...a pilgrim that has a long way to go who is doing the best he can with the information he's got. Part of the fun is being with a group that helps each other until we all get to where we want to be.
Amen to that brother! :toast
Now I got'a mention (and I think I have before) that for me it seems like doing a persona is the hardest thing to come up with as (in my case now) I can't always be 62 years old in the years 1825 thru 1840 as those 15 years will always stand and if I live to be 80+ years old, well who's gonna believe I came west to trap in 1825 at the ripe old age of 73 (which would be the middle part of that 15 year span...
So, rather then change my persona (if I had one) I'm just "Ohio Joe" aka "Candle Snuffer" and I'm a free trapper plying my trade the same as I did east of the Missouri before it got to crowded... For me, that's as close to a persona as I'm going to get and I don't have to pin down any specific time period dates. The only other thing I'd have to be on guard about is;
"Why do they call you Ohio Joe?"
"Well, I guess 'cause I trapped that Ohio country in my youth - and the Shawnee chased me every chance they got. So this ol' hoss just kept moving west when things got to civilized for a man to live off the land and ply his trade. I reckon I don't have much movin' west left in these old bones."
So if I have a persona, that's it. :shake
Post by: rollingb on May 13, 2019, 03:22:15 AM
Someone in a great say, colonial kit, but wearing modern glasses or sunglasses... I just try to ignore it.
I got a kick out of the photo of Dick "Beau Jacques" House on page 1 of the first Book of Buckskinning, decked out in leathers with a straw hat on his head, modern eye glasses on his nose, and a digital watch on his wrist. He wrote about "The philosophy of Buckskinning." It was looser back in 1981 on what you wore at rendezvous, I guess.
~Kees~
Yes,.... there has been a bit of division between the two sports known as "modern buckskinning", and those that desire to "re-live history" as accurately as possible.
Some folks use sources (such as movies/Hollywood), to determine "what and how" they should look and what tools and guns they should use and carry, when depicting 17th. 18th. and early 19th. century frontiersmen, and mountaineers.
NOTE: Hollywood doesn't much care about being "historically correct", as long as their movies bring in MONEY,.... we should all be aware of that fact, and accept it for what it is.
On the other hand,.... there are folks that dedicate a great portion of their lives to "historical research", and new (historical) information is being discovered all the time. Some of these folks also put what they have learned into "practical application and survival", by limiting themselves to using only things that can be "documented", and find great enjoyment in going that route.
That's not to say, you'll find them in the woods using only hand forged tools, hand forged wrought-iron gun barrels, and hand forged hardware on their guns, because these days such things are often not practical due to modern limitations.
These fellas (and gals) do however, go to great lengths to accurately re-live history, by brain tanning hides, making their own lodges, saddles, clothing, and accouterments. So they do have a vested interest in doing things the way our forefathers did.
Even the most "hardcore" (dedicated) modern mountaineer will often readily admit that he (and his "trappings"), can usually stand some improvements, and therein lies a big portion of the "never-ending fun" of historical research and the effort to re-live history. :bl th up
I have met a few "stitch counters" over the years, who have done just enough research to make themselves irritable,.... but they're usually "far and few between". :bl th up
As for "personas",.... once historical clothing, type and style of weapons, trapping and camping gear (of a particular time-frame), has been made/attained, it's not difficult to establish a believable persona "that fits you well". :)
I'm a "free trapper",.... I go where I want, whenever I want. :) :hairy
Post by: blackpowderbill on May 13, 2019, 10:21:26 AM
I wear glasses and can get by without them for getting around camp.
I wear special shoes with inserts from the VA & weather permitting I'll wear my mocs that have a hard insert in them. That insert is not what I should be using but it gets me by.
Years back I ran into 2 ladies who had on shoes that were covered with leather to hide them. The only way you knew they had on flatlander shoes was i they had their feet up it left the soles exposed. Good idea IMO
I need to find a pair of boots that will allow my good inserts to fit inside. I had picked up a pair of mocs, not sewn together but they are a tad small for the insert.
The big problem is the PC/HC deal is what to allow and not to allow. Those policies have to be in writing and agree'd upon by the committee or group as a whole. Not the willy nilly thread nazi new gun-ho who is given a bit of position for an event and it goes to his head.
Hey one reason we have so many different forums especially on facebook is everyone wants to be incharge of his own little world. Most couldn't run a real live not for profit/ non profit group for 3 months.
You ride me at an event and 2 things can happen.
1. I go full blown perfectionist or
.2 I leave depending on how big a deal you think you are.
IMO their should in some case be 2 camps one full blown canvas the other for beginners separate but not out of the way.
But with the dwindling vouse and aging folks it's hard nuff to get a really full camp most times. I see a lot of new people going full bore dressed out in internet pictures all with the same outfits.
Everyone wants to be a eastern long hunter or mountain man. Look, not every one was a eastern long hunter,blacksmith or preacher.
They all quote the same storyline,books,articles very few have ever read local journals of the times.
We had hundreds of trades people, regular folk rural and cityfied. Pick one of those stand out be different.
That's my opinion, your mileage may differ.
Post by: rollingb on May 13, 2019, 10:47:33 AM
HC/PC can go so far. If you need special foot wear then I have no problem with it, same with glasses or a c-pap machine and solar panel to charge it as long as the solar unit is hide on the back of a tent when not in use.
I wear glasses and can get by without them for getting around camp.
I wear special shoes with inserts from the VA & weather permitting I'll wear my mocs that have a hard insert in them. That insert is not what I should be using but it gets me by.
Years back I ran into 2 ladies who had on shoes that were covered with leather to hide them. The only way you knew they had on flatlander shoes was i they had their feet up it left the soles exposed. Good idea IMO
I need to find a pair of boots that will allow my good inserts to fit inside. I had picked up a pair of mocs, not sewn together but they are a tad small for the insert.
The big problem is the PC/HC deal is what to allow and not to allow. Those policies have to be in writing and agree'd upon by the committee or group as a whole. Not the willy nilly thread nazi new gun-ho who is given a bit of position for an event and it goes to his head.
Hey one reason we have so many different forums especially on facebook is everyone wants to be incharge of his own little world. Most couldn't run a real live not for profit/ non profit group for 3 months.
You ride me at an event and 2 things can happen.
1. I go full blown perfectionist or
.2 I leave depending on how big a deal you think you are.
IMO their should in some case be 2 camps one full blown canvas the other for beginners separate but not out of the way.
But with the dwindling vouse and aging folks it's hard nuff to get a really full camp most times. I see a lot of new people going full bore dressed out in internet pictures all with the same outfits.
Everyone wants to be a eastern long hunter or mountain man. Look, not every one was a eastern long hunter,blacksmith or preacher.
They all quote the same storyline,books,articles very few have ever read local journals of the times.
We had hundreds of trades people, regular folk rural and cityfied. Pick one of those stand out be different.
That's my opinion, your mileage may differ.
That is an excellent point Bill. :hairy
At the Ft. Bridger Rendezvous, there are 2 camps,.... 1 for the regular "buckskinners", and a seperate camp for the AMM (American Mountain Men).
The AMM welcome "anyone and everyone" to come visit their camp, and ask questions. :bl th up
The AMM also have a seperate camp at the RMNR,.... and they welcome visitors to stop by and chat. :bl th up
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 13, 2019, 12:13:25 PM
At least one thing many of us have in common on both sides of the fence,,, we like our fire-water!!! :toast
Seriously though, this buckskinning stuff we do on any and all levels, is the best! Absolutely the best! Great folks, great location, great camaraderie, and I've always had the good fortune to meet the most interesting and nicest folks on gods green earth. To me these folks are all like brothers and sisters, and I'm always just a bit sad when the end of camp rolls around, but I Know I'm gonna see my Rendezvous family again in a year. And to me, that's what this is all about - family, whether your blood related or not, you're still family.
:*: :shake
Post by: AxelP on May 13, 2019, 05:02:57 PM
Post by: Nessmuk on May 13, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
I apologize for thinking that. 14 posts politely stating their views. No rancor, no vitriol. Just respect and honor. Thank you, friends ( I amost said Gentlemen but caught myself at the last second) :toast
Just one question, what in the world is a "farb"?
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on May 13, 2019, 05:50:24 PM
FARB
Fast And Researchless Buying".
a derogatory term used in the hobby of historical reenacting in reference to participants who exhibit indifference to historical authenticity, either from a material-cultural standpoint or in action. It can also refer to the inauthentic materials used by those reenactors.
Also called "polyester soldiers," farbs are reenactors who spend relatively little of their time or money maintaining authenticity with regard to uniforms, accessories, or even period behavior. The 'Good Enough' attitude is pervasive among farbs, although even casual observers may be able to point out flaws.
Post by: Nessmuk on May 13, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
Post by: AxelP on May 13, 2019, 06:19:21 PM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 13, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
It's used in reenacting as an insult, but can be used many other descriptive ways: farby, farb, farbistic, etc. I've heard someone called "bistic." You get it.
"My farb gear" slang for modern stuff. Like the SCA calls it mundane gear...
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Post by: Nessmuk on May 13, 2019, 06:33:21 PM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 13, 2019, 07:23:26 PM
It's a different thing. Enjoy the differences.
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Post by: Oldetexian on May 13, 2019, 09:32:04 PM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 13, 2019, 09:40:55 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on May 14, 2019, 11:46:12 AM
Civil folks discussing what should always be a civil subject.
Personally, to me, it's the guns my brother, it's all about the guns, that and the beautiful aroma of burning Blackpowder!... :bl th up
That was my very first attraction, many, many years ago, and likely my very strongest attraction to this wonderful Hobby of ours.
I have not been PC / HC since sometime in the late 1970s to mid 1980s, even then I was not 'totally PC, nor did I ever try to preach the PC / HC doctrines.......and a lot of water, lead, and powder has run under that bridge of life since that time.
The criticism of the PC Police regarding this Hobby has cost us heavily, while the praise and encouragement of those practicing Living History has had their hands full trying to keep up.
It is somewhere in between all this that many, if not most, find comfort in this sport.
Myself, I am a bona fide gun nut. Never met a gun yet that I didn't fall head-over-heels for. Old guns, new guns, broken guns with missing parts, they're all good.
Btw, Oldetexian, my Walker Colt doesn't take kindly to those "unkind" words.... :lol sign :applaud :bow
It's all good! Just some is a wee bit "more gooder" than others.
I truly appreciate THIS thread.
This is the type thread that promotes harmony from within, which is somewhat hard to find nowadays.
Post by: AxelP on May 15, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
I too started in the hobby due to my interest in the guns. But my interest broadened over time. I have recently considered not taking my guns to certain events. Its just as HC/PC to not have a gun in your hand as to have one.
K
Post by: Flinchlock on May 15, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
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Btw, Oldetexian, my Walker Colt doesn't take kindly to those "unkind" words....That might have been me busting on my brother Jim... He has a couple that he has a fetish for. I have to remind him a lot of the superiority of my Remingtons... :-Psign :applaud :bow
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Post by: Ohio Joe on May 15, 2019, 03:31:06 PM
I would suggest to do the research before getting involved with either. I fault no organization or club for having rules & guidelines they expect to be followed as they are offering the public something that some may have a strong interest in being part of. If it doesn't fit what you're looking for - simply move on and look for a organization or club that does fit your interest.
Joining in on these HC/PC events is a personal choice - it's not mandatory. Never has been. :shake
Post by: Flinchlock on May 15, 2019, 04:37:01 PM
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Post by: Spotted Bull on May 15, 2019, 05:27:05 PM
We gotta help folks so this way of life isnt lost.
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Post by: Flinchlock on May 15, 2019, 07:00:02 PM
I'm a big proponent of handbooks... Whether WWI, WW2 or Roman, whatever... For one thing, when most people read things in a book, it becomes a truth. For another, they can pre-learn BEFORE the event, learning what is cool and what is not. Then, there is no one judging them, they won't lose face. When they get out there and you show them things, it's already in the back of their mind.
How's dat? Thread counting, stitch Naziry, what have you -- some of it has a place... And, if it's YOUR group, then it's your responsibility to teach them right and help them. Usually, when you do that, people have fun.
If you're a lone wolf, have at it... Don't pee in someone else's wheaties.
My 2 silver pennies, Marsh
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Post by: Spotted Bull on May 15, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
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Post by: Nessmuk on May 15, 2019, 10:25:02 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on May 15, 2019, 11:14:17 PM
Great thread!
Civil folks discussing what should always be a civil subject.
Personally, to me, it's the guns my brother, it's all about the guns, that and the beautiful aroma of burning Blackpowder!... :bl th up
That was my very first attraction, many, many years ago, and likely my very strongest attraction to this wonderful Hobby of ours.
I have not been PC / HC since sometime in the late 1970s to mid 1980s, even then I was not 'totally PC, nor did I ever try to preach the PC / HC doctrines.......and a lot of water, lead, and powder has run under that bridge of life since that time.
The criticism of the PC Police regarding this Hobby has cost us heavily, while the praise and encouragement of those practicing Living History has had their hands full trying to keep up.
It is somewhere in between all this that many, if not most, find comfort in this sport.
Myself, I am a bona fide gun nut. Never met a gun yet that I didn't fall head-over-heels for. Old guns, new guns, broken guns with missing parts, they're all good.
Btw, Oldetexian, my Walker Colt doesn't take kindly to those "unkind" words.... :lol sign :applaud :bow
It's all good! Just some is a wee bit "more gooder" than others.
I truly appreciate THIS thread.
This is the type thread that promotes harmony from within, which is somewhat hard to find nowadays.
Please don't misconstrue my previous comment as saying, "Guns is the ONLY thing I like about this Hobby" because I can pass muster at about any get together short of AMM. That still does not mean I don't literally love the guns of that era.
Others have said it much better, and a lot more graciously, that what I said in my previous post, but the living history part of this Hobby is strong inside me, and I practiced that a lot when I was somewhat younger.
And that was long before the Bicentennial, T/C, Ithica, Hatfield, CVA, and Lyman became household words, even before the sport of Muzzleloading itself ever became popular.
Back then, during the 1950s and 60s, any knowledge of Muzzleloaders suddenly made you the Subject Matter Expert.
The local go-to guy for everything Muzzleloading, he seemed to have all the answers on every imaginable aspect of the sport.
Also, back then, a lot of "bad" information was handed out as fact, and later on that put a lot of very sour grapes in the pudding of us oldtimers of today.
Then, in the late1970s and mid-80s, a new breed, along with a new name came on the scene, they were called PC & HC.....
The one thing, and likely the most important thing of all that they brought with them, was the demise of many "Old Wives" tales, stories that many of us had been led to believe as solemn truths for a good 25 to 30 years, prior to their arrival.
Some also brought their newly learned knowledge to a whole new level, and that level was nothing short of criticism, criticism toward those who professed to know less, or things never heard of before their entry.....but, instead of teaching and making welcome the unwashed part of the group, they choose to pick at the small stuff, small stuff that when left to grow and materialize would someday make a fine Buckskinner, instead they suddenly somehow felt elite in their new found knowledge, and the rest of this story is history.
Post by: Flinchlock on May 15, 2019, 11:35:54 PM
Anyway, unless it's billed as living history, most of it's historical cosplay revolving around shooting. I think what the AMM do is interesting, but it's not what I do. Anyway, as a reenactor in 4 time periods so far, and dealing with all periods as the owner of reenactor.Net, I can tell you that most reenacting isn't about busting people's balls over dumb stuff. Like I said, if I am invited to your event, I follow your rules -- if you come to mine, I expect you to follow mine. If we can do our thing together, great. :toast
If you wish to do stuff a certain way, that's your right... Just don't tell ME how to do my stuff. How's that.
Post by: Oldetexian on May 16, 2019, 06:42:53 AM
We all have things about which we are passionate. I understand and even appreciate that. And, likewise, we all have warts, moles and other imperfections. Once we understand that and realize that it is the journey that's important (not the destination of perfection), we can all relax a little and pay more attention to extending a helping hand.
That seems to be the spirit I see in TMA, and for me, it's one of the most powerful incentives to be involved and get others onto the path as well.
Post by: Uncle Russ on May 16, 2019, 02:14:41 PM
You guys restore my faith in humanity. We are all in this together, and since no one gets out alive it just makes sense to show basic decency to each other, and that's especially true when it comes to someone trying to learn and get involved in a hobby we all love.
We all have things about which we are passionate. I understand and even appreciate that. And, likewise, we all have warts, moles and other imperfections. Once we understand that and realize that it is the journey that's important (not the destination of perfection), we can all relax a little and pay more attention to extending a helping hand.
That seems to be the spirit I see in TMA, and for me, it's one of the most powerful incentives to be involved and get others onto the path as well.
Amen brother Tex!
Post by: Flinchlock on May 16, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 16, 2019, 04:38:02 PM
Now, if I could only just get you guys to reenact Roman :P
Well let me see??? A worn out bed sheet with a hole cut in the middle for my head, and a piece of rope to hold it around my waste... Hmmm, I might be able to be a peasant slave who sleeps in the stables and fights dogs for table scraps...
:lol sign :Doh!
Post by: Bigsmoke on May 16, 2019, 04:39:34 PM
Now, if I could only just get you guys to reenact Roman :P
Break out the sheets, I feel a toga party coming on.
Searching through the synapses, but I'll be darned if I can remember anything appropriate in Latin to say. That's what 60 years will do to your memory.
So, Brutus asked Caesar if he had any pizza at the party last night.
And Julius replied, "Et tu, Brute !!" :applaud :laffing :Doh!
Sorry, I could not help myself.
Are you sure you want us reenacting Roman???
John
Post by: Flinchlock on May 16, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
Www.legioix.org
Www.romanobritain.org
Post by: Bigsmoke on May 16, 2019, 04:52:02 PM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 16, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on May 16, 2019, 08:12:35 PM
Legionary, you will submit. Resistance is futile.
Wow! That sounds like something from Star Trek, what would Captain Kirk do??? :lol sign
Post by: Flinchlock on May 16, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
Mk. 13 PlanetbustersLegionary, you will submit. Resistance is futile.
Wow! That sounds like something from Star Trek, what would Captain Kirk do??? :lol sign
Post by: Flinchlock on May 16, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
Still, as far as Romans... Only citizens write the toga. Also, it's a pain in the butt... A formal garment.
But you, you would have a tunica. Usually not with a rope belt. A soldier made to go without his belt... That was a punishment -- literally. There's all kinds of weirdness.
Imagine if the Romans had invented gun powder :-o that, and figured out how to transfer power between emporers...
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Post by: Nessmuk on May 17, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
:Doh!
Post by: Flinchlock on May 17, 2019, 08:23:43 AM
Post by: Oldetexian on May 17, 2019, 09:47:01 AM
A heaping plate piled high with steaming hot sow placenta.
My first question is do ya have the recipe? And secondly, with vittles like that do ya have to fight off all the recruits clammering to join your unit? :lol sign :lol sign :lol sign
Post by: Flinchlock on May 17, 2019, 10:03:46 AM
Some are actually really good. Different people. And remember, all the stuff we think of "Italian cooking"... They didn't have tomatoes, potatoes, most beans... Still. I ain't eating rocky mountain oysters... We all have weirdness.
Post by: Oldetexian on May 17, 2019, 11:52:45 AM
And I also agree with you about the Rocky Mountain Oysters. Different strokes for different folks. I like haggis, but then I blame that on being half Scot.
Post by: Flinchlock on May 17, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
I do remember rattlesnake... Tasted just like chicken, other than the weird bones in it. That was in my youth at a rendezvous in California... So long ago.
If you get the chance, the "Moretum" recipe is GREAT.
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Post by: Spotted Bull on May 17, 2019, 05:52:35 PM
Post by: JB67 on May 24, 2019, 09:32:43 PM
I was active in the Society for Creative Anachronisms for a while. It's a medieval history group, technically for educational purposes, but mostly to have fun. I understand what goes into research, and the labor and money in creating authentic clothing and goods. The absolutely last thing I want to do is hand-sew something, *especially* in areas that won't be seen, simply because it was hand-sewn THEN. The level of authenticity required in some groups is a turn-off for me.
The way I see it, we are trying to preserve the history and lifestyle of the ML era, but not necessarily relive it. T/C & CVA guns might not be 100% accurate historically, but they ARE *traditional* muzzleloaders, unlike poly-stocked inlines. They are affordable, especially in the 2nd hand market. They allow guys like me to get in the hobby and work up from there, and not invest a lot if we find it's not for us.
The thread counters and purists have their nitches. Hand-sewn underwear? No way. I commend their dedication, but that's not for me.
Personally, I'm going for "flavor." The SCA has an informal (mostly) 10-foot rule. If it looks good from that distance, it's good. I find that reasonable for most to attain with moderate effort.
Post by: Flinchlock on May 24, 2019, 10:00:34 PM
As the SMS Rudolf Weiß sails out of a large cordite cloud... mebbee that was too harsh...
Here's the thing... Lots of guys got zapped by someone for being a farb or something when they first tried reenacting. I knew of a silly war unit that thought it was cool to make people cry. The southern guards... I despised them. They hurt the hobby. This kind of crap tends to turn people off and they become like my brother, all butt-holey. With the right intro, new guys learn what is and is not cool. We all rise to our own level of authenticity. Just don't try and spoil another's time trip.
However, there are guys that just refuse to do things like authenticity -- and that's fine. You go to and have your events. I won't be botherin' you
Bad Marsh should also say that he has no problem with CVA's, T/C's, etc. Good guns. Straight shooting too. What fires me up is an automatic knee-jerk reactions to authenticity and peoples belief in. I should, in all fairness state that I do not wear period underwear in ANY time period, including the Roman stuff I do... the boys need support. Anyway, I tell reenactors to beware if some dude demands to see your underwear.
Post by: Flinchlock on May 24, 2019, 10:27:49 PM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 24, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
Post by: JB67 on May 25, 2019, 08:31:45 AM
That's great. I'm not into plastic armor and duct tape. Yes, I'm sure that I'm a horrible stitch-nazi Bastard, but SCA... Hell no! Plastic cosplay... Not into it. "Where is be the dragons?"
Duck tape was unavoidable on weapons, but IMO an abomination anywhere else. For the record, I hated exposed plastic armor as well. It can be easily hidden, and I was living proof of that. Research your persona, design a fighting kit that hides the uglies.
The same applies here. Some things are unavoidable, some are excusable. If I can't use BP because I can't find it, am I at fault? I hope not. But a black vinyl possibles bag?? Hell no! Might as well make it out of duck tape!
My point was not to criticize those who go as authentic as possible, but to encourage those who are making the effort to be presentable.
Post by: JB67 on May 25, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 25, 2019, 09:43:38 AM
I still don't hold with some dude asking about my underwear, in ANY time period... Although, I was at a public Roman event in March and some older guy was giving me crap "I bet you don't have proper underwear..." I reached down and started sliding my tunica up my leg like I was going to pull it up... He grunted and walked off quickly. Bad me.
Post by: Oldetexian on May 26, 2019, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: jimmywise on May 27, 2019, 12:28:07 AM
Post by: Flinchlock on May 27, 2019, 01:14:03 AM
still on this topic?Joto... Why would anyone do that? There was an abundance of metal needles then, dork. I did use a 2-needle saddle stitch to shorten my nifty woven powder horn strap by folding a portion over. Worked well. Is that what you wanted? I know your cooter hurts over the idea that some folks want hand-stitching on certain things. I'm not particularly that anal, especially in things you can't see. Is like doing car seats... Why can't you just use seat covers?
I'm going to steam my new straw hat into a tricorn tomorrow. Jon Townsend graciously sent me some pics and an explanation. I will endeavour to photo that for anyone with an interest.
Jimmy, you need to stop. You cannot win and if you strike me down I will only grow stronger.
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Post by: Oldetexian on May 27, 2019, 08:21:47 AM
Post by: Nessmuk on May 27, 2019, 08:40:06 AM
:lol sign Marsh, it would have fixed him if you were going "Commando".
Post by: Flinchlock on May 27, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
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