Your TMA Officers and Board of Directors
Support the TMA! ~ Traditional Muzzleloaders ~ The TMA is here for YOU!
*** JOIN in on the TMA 2024 POSTAL MATCH *** it's FREE for ALL !

For TMA related products, please check out the new TMA Store !

The Flintlock Paper

*** Folk Firearms Collective Videos ***



Author Topic: Rifled load  (Read 1684 times)

Offline jtwodogs

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 90
Rifled load
« on: January 10, 2017, 01:54:42 PM »
Would an overwad or card or some type of buffer material, something between the powder and patched ball help accuracy in  a rifled  barrel, especially in heavy loads. I know that they use them in smooth bores. Please excuse my terminology but I think you'all know what I am talking about.
#423 renew 3/14/10
George Washington
" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
 May 12, 1779

Online RobD

  • TMA Admin
  • ****
  • Posts: 3547
  • TMA President & Contributing Member
  • Location: NJ
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 02:22:46 PM »
i think you mean an over powder wad, such as used with bpcr lubed bullet cartridges.  i never tried that with a patched ball ... i guess because it seems redundant since the patching is the over powder wad and should fill up the rifling groove spaces.  other than that, dunno.

Offline Riley/MN

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5100
  • TMA Member: Charter Member #20
  • Location: Montana
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 05:57:30 PM »
I helped my buddy Gene get a TC going that he received "cuz somebody owed him money" - the bore was terrible, but we scrubbed & scrubbed. His best accuracy is now achieved with a wonderwad under the PRB. Wonder wads are lubricated, dense felt wad.
~Riley
><>


TMA Charter Member #20


Support Traditional Muzzleloading - Join the TMA!

Online Hanshi

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 937
    • http://www.martialartsusa.com
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2017, 05:58:52 PM »
I found that in cases where the patches were burned or torn that an op wad often solved the problem.  I frequently, but not always, use an op wad in my rifles.  It does often help velocities to be more uniform and can even increase velocities on occasion.  But this is not absolute.  Some guns benefit and some don't.  Try an op wad and experiment so you can determine if they help your shooting.
Young guys should hang out with old guys; old guys know stuff.

Online Ironhand

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 233
  • TMA Member: Supporting Member # 664, Expiration 5/4/2019
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2017, 07:20:07 PM »
I knew several bench rest shooters that used over powder wads.

Ironhand
Place your clothes and your weapons where you can find them in the dark.

   Lazarus Long

Offline Maven

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 335
  • TMA: Supporting Member #778
  • TMA Member: Expiration date; 10/21/2021
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2017, 07:25:08 PM »
As Hanshi indicated, it is certainly worth trying.  Also, they certainly help with Maxi-Ball and REAL bullets in 1:48 or faster twist barrels, but those projectiles don't require a patch.

Online RobD

  • TMA Admin
  • ****
  • Posts: 3547
  • TMA President & Contributing Member
  • Location: NJ
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 07:32:46 PM »
from what i'm reading above, adding in an opw seems more like a fix for something kinda wrong, which is always a good thing.  8)

Offline jtwodogs

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 90
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 08:20:00 PM »
It shoots great with 90 grains of 3f goex. Just wondering if I could up my load with 2f and a wad.
While I am at: The velocity the same grain for grain with 3f and 2f? I guess I am asking is it  a little faster with 90 grains of 3f then 90 grains of 2f?
#423 renew 3/14/10
George Washington
" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
 May 12, 1779

Offline jtwodogs

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 90
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 07:58:28 AM »
I have some .72 cal wads from a shotgun I had, is there anyway I can cut a few of them down just to see if it works, short of a wad cutter.
#423 renew 3/14/10
George Washington
" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
 May 12, 1779

Offline Buzzard

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 208
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 08:21:22 AM »
Yes, twodogs, mostly with heavy loads in bores with deep rifleing, and/or thinner patching.
NRA Life
NMLRA Life
TMA Member #258
Ohio State Trappers Life
Longhunter Measurer

Expires 04/09/2016

Offline Eric Krewson

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 119
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 09:35:56 AM »
My .54 shoots (Rice barrel) a better group with a wool felt wad over the powder and has a sharper"crack" when it goes off, my .44 (Bill Large barrel) shoots through the same hole at 50 yards without a wool wad and scatters them all over the place with a felt wad, go figure.

Offline jtwodogs

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 90
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 10:55:04 AM »
Is there a trick to cutting a .72 down to a .62 just to try and see if it helps?
#423 renew 3/14/10
George Washington
" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
 May 12, 1779

Offline sse

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5370
  • TMA Founder
  • TMA: TMA Co-Founder, Charter Member, BoD.
  • TMA Member: Charter Member #3
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 11:53:58 AM »
Quote from: "jtwodogs"
It shoots great with 90 grains of 3f goex. Just wondering if I could up my load with 2f and a wad.
While I am at: The velocity the same grain for grain with 3f and 2f? I guess I am asking is it  a little faster with 90 grains of 3f then 90 grains of 2f?
Whatt is the caliber of the rifle?
Regards, sse

************
Consider joining the TMA...If you're not a member, you're missing out...

TMA Member #3
Exp. July A.D. 1821


Offline jtwodogs

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 90
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 12:13:50 PM »
.62
#423 renew 3/14/10
George Washington
" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
 May 12, 1779

Offline sse

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5370
  • TMA Founder
  • TMA: TMA Co-Founder, Charter Member, BoD.
  • TMA Member: Charter Member #3
Re: Rifled load
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 12:54:58 PM »
Quote from: "jtwodogs"
.62
Thanks, interesting.  Sounds like one heck of a rifle, not sure I've ever heard about a rifled bore that size.
Regards, sse

************
Consider joining the TMA...If you're not a member, you're missing out...

TMA Member #3
Exp. July A.D. 1821