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Offline Craig Tx

Neutral Territory
« on: November 05, 2013, 09:20:11 AM »
From the Texas State Historical Association

Border between Texas and Louisiana declared Neutral Ground

On this day in 1806, the United States and Spain signed an agreement establishing the Neutral Ground. After the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 the United States and Spain were unable to agree on the boundary between Louisiana and Texas. In 1806, in order to avert an armed clash, Gen. James Wilkinson and Lt. Col. Simón de Herrera, the American and Spanish military commanders respectively, entered into an agreement declaring the disputed territory Neutral Ground. The boundaries of the Neutral Ground were never officially described beyond a general statement that the Arroyo Hondo on the east and the Sabine River on the west were to serve as boundaries. Ownership of the strip was awarded the United States by the Adams-Onís Treaty in 1821.


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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 12:23:40 PM »
Very interesting Craig!

There are many places in Texas, and in the Southwest in general, that are referred to as "No man's Land", but this was likely the first.

Found some interesting reading on this area when I looked it up.
(I have always heard the story that the "Redbone Hound" was bred specifically for hunting in "no man's land" so....guess what I found? A people(s) of French Ancestry that might possibly lead credence to the old Redbone Hound story, but that is for another thread at a later time.)
 
For anyone from Tejas who may be interested in this story, I found the following.

No Mans Land...
The precise boundaries of the area has still not been determined. The United States, having purchased the territory from France, claimed the same boundaries France had claimed before the transfer to Spain. In fact, the U.S. asserted a claim to the Rio Grande as the western border, based on the temporary settlement by René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle in Texas in 1684. The more serious U.S. claim, however, was to the Sabine River, today's boundary between the U.S. states of Louisiana and Texas. Spanish claims were the same as before — to Arroyo Hondo.

Negotiations to resolve the dispute broke down in 1805 when Spain severed diplomatic relations with the United States. From October 1805 until October 1806, there was continual skirmishing, both verbal and military, around the Sabine River. There were rumors that both sides were amassing troops near the disputed area.


Neither side, however, wanted to go to war over the dispute. In order to avert further armed clashes, U.S. General James Wilkinson and Spanish Lt. Col. Simón de Herrera, the two military commanders in the region, signed an agreement declaring the disputed territory Neutral Ground (November 5, 1806), until the boundary could be formally established by their respective governments. The agreement was not a treaty and was not ratified by either government, although it was largely respected. Even with this agreement, the boundaries of the Neutral Ground were not entirely specified.

The Arroyo Hondo and the Sabine River were named the eastern and western boundaries, respectively. The southern boundary was undoubtedly the Gulf of Mexico, and it can be assumed that the northern boundary was the thirty-second parallel, approximately. It included portions of the present-day Louisiana parishes of De Soto, Sabine, Natchitoches, Vernon, Rapides, Beauregard, Allen, Calcasieu, Jefferson Davis, and Cameron.

The area covered by the agreement was declared off-limits to soldiers of both countries. The agreement also stipulated that no settlers would be permitted in the Neutral Ground. Nevertheless, settlers from New Spain and the United States territory began to move in. Some American settlers took Spanish land grants known as the Rio Hondo claims. Others simply squatted on unclaimed land. This lawless area also attracted exiles, deserters, political refugees, fortune hunters, and a variety of criminals. Eventually, the highwaymen organized to the degree that they manned outposts and organized spies in order to better fleece travelers and avoid the American and Spanish military. In 1810 and again in 1812 the two governments sent joint military expeditions into the area to expel outlaws.


The Neutral Ground was settled in part by people of mixed-race informally called Redbones. Some of their family surnames can be traced back to African Americans who were free in Virginia and North Carolina during the colonial period. The origins and ancestry of Redbones continues to be debated. During the years of migration from the Upper South, it is likely that some Native Americans also married into the community.

The Adams-Onís Treaty, signed in 1819 and ratified in 1821, recognized the U.S. claim, setting the border at the Sabine River. Spain surrendered any claim to the area. (Two years after the treaty was negotiated, New Spain won its independence as the Mexican Empire.) Even after the treaty, however, the Neutral Ground and the adjacent part of East Texas remained largely lawless. The Regulator-Moderator War in East Texas in 1839-44 had its roots in the earlier anarchy of the Neutral Ground.


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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2013, 12:31:34 PM »
Mui Bueno!

Also, kinda related sideways to this, last week I finished readin' a tome called Blood Over Texas by Sanford H Montaigne.  It re-examines the causes and positions of both Mexico and the US before the Mexican-American War.  I tend to agree with the author's conclusions that ethe US is not exactly the bully history makes them out to be...

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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 01:20:20 PM »
That's all very interesting,.... thanks Craig, and Russ.  :rt th
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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2013, 01:58:39 PM »
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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2013, 02:09:20 PM »
Good stuff guys! My daughter enjoys this stuff as well as she is a civil war buff/ re enactor, and interested in ALL Texas history.  She's also been a regular volunteer at the Texas Civil War Museum and loves it!
Craig, what part of Tx are you from?

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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2013, 05:58:16 PM »
Great info guys I always enjoy this history lesson. BH
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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »
ridjrunr,

I'm originally from Houston.  I spent about three years in the D-FW area, lived in Huntsville while in college (Sam Houston State U.), and spent lots of time in the Austin area.

I've been livin' in the PNW for a little over 14 years now.  But I'm a native Texian for sure.  There's nothin' worse than a expatriate Texian...   :rt th

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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2013, 07:41:24 PM »
Quote
There's nothin' worse than a expatriate Texian... :Doh!  As a recovering Texian meself, I reckon there's something to those words of wisdom.

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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2013, 08:03:02 PM »
Ah, but I'm not recoverin' I'm wallerin' in my Texasness...

 :hey-hey

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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2013, 08:17:18 PM »
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Re: Neutral Territory
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2013, 08:21:34 PM »
You shoulda seen the locals the time they were goin' on and on about the Oregon "Civil War"...  I asked what the commotion was about.  It's not like it was the Texas - Texas A&M game.

If looks coulda killed...

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