Welcome to the TMA - the Traditional Muzzleloading Association
The TMA is always free to access: totally non-profit and therefore no nagging for your money, no sponsors means no endless array of ads to wade through, and no "membership fees" ever required. Brought to you by traditional muzzleloaders with decades of wisdom in weaponry, accoutrements, and along with 18th and 19th century history knowledge of those times during the birth our nation, the United States of America.
If you are a current TMA Contributing Member you MUST click HERE - IMPORTANT!


Author Topic: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two  (Read 195 times)

Online Rob DiStefano

Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« on: February 01, 2026, 08:31:48 PM »
Kit box arrived yesterday and so the fun begins.

The box.
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

Pulled the lock and it needs a good cleaning.
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

The ramrod was wedged in SUPER TIGHT (this is Very common) and required using some 80 grit  abrasive paper on a short piece of dowel to deepen the stock channel, plus reaming out all 4 brass pipe holes.  Normal for offshore trad ML guns, iron finishing nails (.096" diameter) are used for stock pins.  Once pulled I threw them all away and use new nails, heads cut off, set in a hand drill and filed to about .094" diameter for ease of getting the pipes in and out during the setup work to get the ramrod to better function.
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

The pipes - they'll get filed and wire wheel cleaned up later on.
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

LOTS of rasping and sanding and scraping required!
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

The edge of the stock wood needs to be tapered in toward the bbl.
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

Online Rob DiStefano

Re: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2026, 08:16:46 PM »
So far so bad.  I've just learned the hard way why DGW (Pede rebrand) Bess kits are sold about $300 less than Pede Bess and Charlie kits.  They're fraught with issues.  The first Bess wasn't too bad with only some stock and pipe thimble issues as the major problems. 

This 2nd Bess has those same issues along with a horrible lock inlet that produced a stripped rear lock screw.  I fixed the stock issues with lotsa rasping, sanding, and scraping. 

Both kits had the ramrod pipes and stock pipe trough way offline that made working the ramrod in and out near impossible.  I mean it was a two hand struggle to get the gol durn rod in and out!!

Unlike the first Bess, where I had a lot of work effort to get the dang pipes to line up, the center pipes on this Bess were so off that nothing could save them.  I had some .015" brass sheet that I cut out pipe pieces, annealed them with propane torch and water quenched, rolled 'em into tubes using a 3/8" mandrel and bench vise, cut and filed, laid into the pipe inlets, ran in the ramrod and drilled the pipes to take stock pins.  Now the rod works just fine. 

Oh yes - both the Pede Bess and Charlie muskets take .095" stock pins, not the .060" stock pins like USA builders such as Kibler and Chambers use.  I used finishing nails that fit quite nicely.

The BIG problem was that the lock was cockeyed set into the stock.  Since DGW Bess kits come with the bbl and lock installed, at first glance the lock looked fine and tested to fire well.  After pulling off the bbl, I could not budge the pair of 6mm-1 lock bolts.  It took some serious effort to release them and the lock and then rear bolt had buggered the female lock threads.  Long story short, I did a Lot of added lock inlet work, re-tapped the rear lock thread, and after a full hour of tweaking the stock lock mortise it's all set perfectly now.

And yet another issue, that I created.  During all the hours of this work I scratched up the wrist area of the stock that I had just finished with 6 wipes of Tru-Oil.  To add further injury, during the oil curing the walnut stock ever so slightly warped, requiring humidify management to get the bbl into the stock.

SO ... where I am right now is that the musket is "demo" built, with pins sticking all over it to keep its bbl and pipes in place.  It works well.  Now to take it all apart again and refinish the stock, then stick it all together again for final testing.  I expect this musket to be 95% used for reenacting with blanks, and so I'm not concerned with it being a bit hodge podged looking here and there - it's gonna get banged up fairly good in the field.  I'll get some pix of what it looks like now put up in this thread.


Online Bigsmoke

Re: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2026, 10:39:25 PM »
And here you have it, why I don't buy kit guns.  No patience.
One would expect better from Pedersoli.
Years and years ago, 1978 I think, I did a Kentucky pistol kit from CVA.  That cured any further desire on my part to build any guns.  Way beyond my skill and patience level.
Good on ya Rob, for working through all the BS involved in getting it together correctly.
John
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest Up to God.

BigSmoke - John Shorb
TMA Charter Member #150  
NRA - Life
Coeur d'Alene Muzzleloaders - Life

Online Rob DiStefano

Re: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« Reply #3 on: Today at 06:26:48 AM »
Totally from my perspective having bought MANY offshore trad muzzleloaders that were either kits or ready-built ...

To be truly fair about kit guns in general, refrain from ANYTHING acquired offshore unless you are a glutton for punishment, because you WILL be punished for what you've purchased.  They are ALL a gamble of sorts - so be forewarned.

In the close to the same vein, ready-built offshore guns will have "considerations".  First and foremost, for me, are those stupid patent breech plugs, which make no sense and will create problems for all ... yes, yes, I hear ya "I've never had a patent breech issue!" (yet) - good for you!  Second are the flat faced breech plugs of all muskets where 99% will be defaced by the touch hole drill.  Third are the hammer steels that will have minimal hardening and sooner than later will require re-hardening.  And then there's the overall components used and build - neither of which can even remotely compare to a reputable onshore built trad muzzleloader.

The pinnacle of trad muzzleloader kits are anything offered by Jim Kibler.  NOTHING can compare to Kibler kit quality of components AND their fitment, which is Perfect.  They shouldn't even be called "kits" because history notes that moniker denotes fiddling adjustments will be required - there are literally none with a Kibler "kit", they are CNC machined to perfection.  NO, I'm NOT a paid Kibler endorser/sponsor ... wish I was after 11 Kibler kits.



 

Online Rob DiStefano

Re: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:36:28 AM »
 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

 [ Invalid Attachment ]

Online KDubs

Re: Pedersoli 2nd Land Pattern Brown Bess Kit number two
« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:55:28 AM »
Rob, I'd like to thank you for building these off shore guns so we don't have too
  :bigsmile:
 As John stated I wouldn't have the patience for such nonsense.
 That's why I like kibler kits, I'm a gun putter together'er not a gun builder.
 But you do you👍
 Kevin
TMA Idaho rep.
USAF Medic 1982-1992  Aim High