TC Hawken

[doc623]

I have a .54 cal TC Hawken.
I think that I would like to get a drop in 12/20 GA barrel to increase the use and for variety.
What/who would you suggest and where to find without breaking the piggy bank?
Thanks

[Three Hawks]

I'm not at all sure that there is a drop in shotgun Bbl for the T-C Hawken.  The New Englander was built as a combination, though, it had round barrels.

Three Hawks

[Uncle Russ]

I'm not at all sure that there is a drop in shotgun Bbl for the T-C Hawken.  The New Englander was built as a combination, though, it had round barrels.

Three Hawks

I "think" 3 Hawks is right, although things may have changed since I last dabbled in this possibility.

The barrels you are looking for are all full in 1 inch tubes. The .54 hawken barrel is 15/16ths across the flats and that puts the lock out-of-whack trying to install it on that platform.

Now, having said all that, I will say that one of the guys here, and I can't remember who, said he had managed to work around the problem and could do it.
I can't remember who it was, and I never saw the completed rifle.

And, after talking to Dick at Pecotinica Longrifles, I personally gave up on the idea.

Maybe he will come forward and help out a bit here....I believe it was Tom, but my ole rememberer just ain't up to snuff any more....seems it keeps getting over ridden by my forgetter.

Uncle Russ...

[doc623]

That may very well be; however, the Thompson Center Hawken that I have measures at 1.010 across the flats.

[Three Hawks]

I suppose you could have an octogon-to-round barrel made up, but the stock is still the wrong shape for a shotgun.  I had a bad .45 Seneca barrel reamed to .50 smooth, with the intent to use it as a smooth rifle with the ability to use shot if I wanted to.

All that said, I am not a shotgunner.

Three Hawks

[Uncle Russ]

That may very well be; however, the Thompson Center Hawken that I have measures at 1.010 across the flats.

If your rifle now has a full 1" tube, I would suspect you could do it would a "drop-in" barrel.

I didn't realize the "typical" T/C Hawken came with a 1" barrel, although I do know that the big demand for the Renegade, and Big Boar (yep Boar, not Bore) was the absolute rage because it was recognized that this was the easy way to go for many drop in's.

What don't you call Green Mountain, or Pecotinica and ask them?
Pecotinica....http://www.longrifles-pr.com  
Tel# (815) 968-1995

Green Mountain...http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/catalog.as ... tylerifles
Tel # (603) 447-1094 / 1095

*Looks like you may have to cut & paste those url's in your browser. (or, just Google 'em up)

Good luck with your quest...it sounds very possible!

[mark davidson]

You can I think put a 1" drop in barrel in a Hawken that has a stock 15/16th barrel in it. You have to rasp or "hog" out the stock and brass forend to make it fit but it will fit. The bigger barrel will stick up and look funny in front of the breech and nipple cause it will stick up 1/16ths higher than the factory profile but that can be ground down or tapered to look a little better. I got a buddy who opened up his Hawken stock and put a 1" barrel in it and I am having a fast twist bullet barrel put on my stock TC Hawken right now by a good gun builder who is going to taper it to the breech and make it match and look a little better. Hope this helps.

[Gordon H.Kemp]

Russ, I just ( in the last year or so ) mounted a TC Hawkes barrel on a Renegade stock (both '54 cal.) and even the wedge fit perfect. I also converted the Hawkens to flintlock using the origanal breech plug. I hope to submitt an article as soon as possible on the conversin. ( with photos ). The barrel off the renegade i put on a stock i built from a log. nothining pre-carved. I bored the renegade to smooth bore and elimanated the QLA problem . It has worked out quite well . I am still modifying and tinkering with it . I've yet to find a Tc 54cal' with a 15/16th barrel. I'm sure i will if i keep tinkering with them.

[Three Hawks]

Russ, I just ( in the last year or so ) mounted a TC Hawkes barrel on a Renegade stock (both '54 cal.) and even the wedge fit perfect. I also converted the Hawkens to flintlock using the origanal breech plug. I hope to submitt an article as soon as possible on the conversin. ( with photos ). The barrel off the renegade i put on a stock i built from a log. nothining pre-carved. I bored the renegade to smooth bore and elimanated the QLA problem . It has worked out quite well . I am still modifying and tinkering with it . I've yet to find a Tc 54cal' with a 15/16th barrel. I'm sure i will if i keep tinkering with them.

The T-C .45 and .50 barrels are 15/16" across the flats.  Their larger caliber ones are 1".  The Hawken and Renegade rifles use the same shape furniture except nose cap and butt plate.  The Renegade was kept  somewhat less expensive by using a less "developed" stock and a plastic buttplate and steel, rather than brass furniture.  

"Hogging Out" a stock that's been inletted for a smaller barrel might work, but leaves the original barrel out in the wet.  What'cha gonna do with it?

Shotgun, fowler and musket barrels are usually round, that's why I suggested having a drop in 1" barrel made octagon to round, that way no modifications need be done to the stock if the wedding band is put just past the nose cap.   My point that the stock is still not the best shape for smoothbore work stands.  Drop at comb and heel and length of pull  on a T-C Hawken rifle aren't set up for wing shooting as a fowler is.

Three Hawks

[windwalker_au]

I have a .54 cal TC Hawken.
I think that I would like to get a drop in 12/20 GA barrel to increase the use and for variety.
What/who would you suggest and where to find without breaking the piggy bank?
Thanks

you can get a green mountain drop in barrel for your hawken in .62 smooth bore as it is a 1 inch oct not 15/16 send a pm to roundball he has all the specs for  the tc hawken drop in barrels.the tc .54 is a 1 inch barrel
bernie

[mark davidson]

"Hogging Out" a stock that's been inletted for a smaller barrel might work, but leaves the original barrel out in the wet. What'cha gonna do with it?

Gordon,  The barrel I am taking off is a factory TC barrel, 1:48 twist. I am leaning toward making a tomato stake out of it. :-)  It is in close to new condition but I hate the way it shoots and have zero use for it after putting on the new barrel. I would sell it pretty cheap, if you would like it.  How about $50?  Any takers. It has zero rust and has never been left uncleaned and unoiled inside or out.

[Uncle Russ]

Mark, If you're not going to use your .45 barrel, put it on the Trade Blanket.....There could be someone sitting back right now thinking, "now if I just had me a .45 barrel I would be all set"....one man's junk is another mans treasures!

.45 is about the minimum hunting caliber for some states, and I feel fairly confident that if the barrel is in as good shape as you say it is, someone, somewhere has a need for it and take it off your hands.

Uncle Russ...

[jbullard1]

Hey Russ
Old Jerry Done PM'd him
We just can't have a TC barrel being used as a tomato stake

[Uncle Russ]

Good deal Jerry....If I still owned a Hawken I would jump at that barrel.  

There was a time when having several barrels for a Hawken was a "stylish" thing...I know of one fellow who has an older T/C Hawken frame and 4 different caliber barrels that he changes off and on.....he had a .54, .50. .45. and that fancy deep rifled .40 for targets.

I have one now on the Trade Blanket with 3 barrels.

There ain't a thing in the world wrong with having several barrels of different calibers.

Uncle Russ...

[mark davidson]

My Hawken barrel is a .50 cal stock 1:48 barrel. Ole Jerry has first shot at it since he already asked. The barrel shoots power belts into super small clusters at 100 yards. I just don't like the way it shoots round balls and some other conicals I have tried. I am putting a fast twist 1:28" barrel on it to make a dedicated conical gun. I will be keeping the underlug and thimbles and sights and the hooked breech so the bare barrel will be what is for sale.