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20 ga Turkey loads
« on: March 01, 2013, 03:14:03 PM »
I asked this over in hunting, and I knew already that "whatever shoots best will be your best load" - I guess my point is where to start workin up a load with a really tight pattern. I never had a 20 before, so I am looking for suggested starting points.

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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 03:33:58 PM »
There is a good article in the latest edition of Muzzleloader magazine. Paper wrapped shot charges. I am going to try some the next couple weeks in hopes that I might get out for turkeys in a few weeks.
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 03:37:40 PM »
Dang, I'm two issues behind! need to read up this weekend! I did try some paper wrapped charges in my 12 ga, but I found it was VERY easy to wind up with a 1 1/2 ounce slug!
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 03:39:56 PM »
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 03:49:34 PM »
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 09:19:39 PM »
I have had good repeatable success with my 20 ga. trade gun, cylinder bore out to about 25 yards, most have been 20 or less yards, with 75 gr. 3f, over powder card, 1/2 prelube cushion wad, 1 1/8 oz. #5 shot, and over shot card.   Just have to be patient and let them get in close.
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 11:38:29 AM »
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Dang, I'm two issues behind! need to read up this weekend! I did try some paper wrapped charges in my 12 ga, but I found it was VERY easy to wind up with a 1 1/2 ounce slug!

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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 11:51:04 AM »
I only differ from No Deer in that i use 1.5oz of 7 1/2 hard shot.
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 04:19:33 AM »
im with buzzard and the others .
 myself i prefer the 20 over the 12 .

 my load for my 20 gage SXS is 70 grains of 2 F with a soft wad  1 1/2 oz of #71/2 .
 im also a head hunter  in that i do not  take body shots  on turkey .
 If you plan on those body shots then I would recommended a larger sized shot

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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2013, 12:01:13 AM »
Quote from: "rickevans"
There is a good article in the latest edition of Muzzleloader magazine. Paper wrapped shot charges. '

I have used these for years. They work well. Have not seen this article, do not get the mag. Is it online?
Load is 70gr 2f and 1 1/4 oz # 6 in a 20 ga trade gun. Works well.  :bl th up
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2013, 09:49:13 AM »
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Is it online?
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2013, 01:17:48 PM »
Quote from: "rickevans"
There is a good article in the latest edition of Muzzleloader magazine. Paper wrapped shot charges. I am going to try some the next couple weeks in hopes that I might get out for turkeys in a few weeks.
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FWIW

About ten or so years ago Captchee and I started a thread on another forum that led to a lot of experimenting, on my part, on "Paper Shot Tubes".

Starting with brown paper lunch bags, per-determined width of paper was cut.
For the 16 gauge I believe it was 4" squares, IIRC.


Using a dowel, or whatever, of the just right diameter..... in this case a stick of propane pipe dope, you add a bit of glue to one side of the paper and roll it over the dowel making a paper cylinder with the fiber wad already inside.


Using the proper amount of shot, 1.5oz in this case, it is poured into the paper cylinder.....


Fold the end over and you have a loaded shot cartridge.....


Here are all the components, laid out.....with a cylinder already rolled in the back ground.


Also, in the background, you notice an open jar of Anhydrous Lanolin....a light "finger" smeared coat of AHL was applied to the paper of the shot cartridge for "lube effect".

After a couple years playing with this I discovered that the full Fiber wad was not only unnecessary, but may have been destructive to the pattern.....so, I started tearing the wad in one-half and that increased the center pellet count at 30 yds. ( Before doing that, the center of the pattern had a rather low pellet count, I suspected that the heavier fiber wad was opening the center, and I believe changing this proved it. )

Years later I omitted the fiber wad altogether and got a somewhat higher pellet count within the 30" circle, still at 30yds, although center count remained about the same.

Just a FYI,  On how choke is determined.
Choke is determined for all shotguns by the amount of shot it delivers within a 30" circle at 40yds.
 (1) Cylinder bore-40%
 (2) Improved cylinder-50%
 (3) Modified-60%
 (4) Full-70%

Our smoothbores must be seen as being a Cylinder Bore, and we should not expect too high of a pellet count, especially at 30 and certainly never at 40 yards.

Another side note...if you decide to ever make a "shot cartridge" be sure and not seal the shot end of the paper with glue...you will end up with about a 4" hole in the paper because it won't open up at all.

I have read a lot of folks controlling their pattern all the way down to Full Choke by using buffered shot from a "sweet" muffin mix, even tried it myself.......however, this process also comes with no guarantees.
That's because on one shot you may get a Modified or better Pattern, while the next shot is all over the pattern board, or the next with a very heavy pellet count in one quadrant or other on the board...which I found to be the most frequent expectation. Like all things Muzzleloading, YMMV (your own mileage may vary considerably.)

Also, when seating the "shot cartridge" be sure you break the top of the paper its wrapped in and add an overshot card or two, as this seems to give the best of all worlds.

Still yet, when you get right down to basis needs, the use of loose components are all you really need, and when applied properly, this will give you the best performance for a cylinder bore gun.

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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2013, 01:33:30 PM »
Good info Russ,..... thanks!  :rt th
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 05:19:30 PM »
Thanks,Russ!...good stuff :lt th
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Re: 20 ga Turkey loads
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 03:56:56 PM »
I found in my Gustomsky trade gun patched shot worked much better than paper shot cups. The shot cups slugged on me very often and never opened up.

I went from this at 20 yards;



To this, I Xed out the previous few shot holes. all the red circles in the spine are from one patched shot load.



If I remember correctly, I use 1 1/8" wide X 5" long strips lubed with olive oil.

I would ram the patch down a little, add some shot, pack it down, add more shot and so forth until I got my complete 1 1/2 oz of #6 in the barrel then ram it home. I was using 70 gr of 2F.