I agree uncle russ, I like the 3F no problems with it at all, it's a lot cleaner than the pyrodex, just got to use what we have available, I had a load In my rifle for over a month darn thing fired off with no delay, I'll stick with it , I guess I was self taught over the years about MLers and never used any powder except pyrodex until I found this forum , a wealth of info is for the take here, swampfoot