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Author Topic: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder  (Read 1450 times)

Offline Lonewolfe20

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Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« on: December 23, 2016, 01:56:50 PM »
Not sure where to put this question
I've only ever shot Goex and pyrodex
But wondered what you guys thought of the other two brands
And what you shoot and why
Or what loads are better
Thanks for your help
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2016, 05:52:07 PM »
Most any of the REAL BLACKPOWDERS will work!

Try a few and see!
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2016, 06:13:22 PM »
Thanks Hawken
We went to an outfitter that had Swiss and Schuetzen.  
And didn't know which was better
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2016, 06:39:56 PM »
My personal like is KIK 2F in both the Caplock and Flintlock but I've used all at one time or another! Accuracy was always good when I found the particular load each rifle liked!
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2016, 01:40:23 AM »
This is a GREAT question Lonewolf!
It will be very interest to see how or others think one powder is better than another.

A few years back I was going to do my dead level best to see if I could prove Swiss was better than Goex.........
Personally, at one poing, I think I did "prefer" Swiss 2F, but right now I only have 2 cans of Swiss left, and over 20 cans of Goex, all grades, including 1F, and Cannon. But I don't feel handicapped by that in anyway.

After testing literally hundreds of loads, in several different muzzleloaders here is what I decided back then.
I suspect I decided Swiss performed a wee bit better a couple of years back, when I had 5# of it to play with and I was trying to decide if performed any better than Goex...during those shooting sessions back then I somehow had this feeling that Swiss may have had a slight edge on Goex, in a couple of the tests.
I distinctly thinking at the time that the Swiss was likely better. But I had very little documentation to prove that...and now as time as gone by, and I have a long time to reflect on what really happen, it would be hard for me to say.

A couple of points I still remember well.  
1. Swiss gave the best / smallest shot deviation across the Chronograph on many occasions in different guns of different calibers, anytime I can get an honest SD of 12 I know my loading procedure is good ...but, is that significant in the evaulation??
2. Swiss invariable gave a few feet extra velocity, and by "a few" I mean a very few like 15 sometimes 20FPS....but, is that significant???

Goex may have won out in accuracy, but I would have had to spit some very fine hairs to make this become a fact, in fact, they are so close in accuracy it would be a very  tough decision to make.....I know this is significant!.

This is my observation, my alone, and others, with their rifle, and loading differences may see something else, something entirely different.
One thing is for sure, neither Swiss, or Goex have any fleas on either one of them.
To say which was best, one needs to be much more astute than mysef, and / or perhaps have some results that are much more convincing that what I had to work with.

Before Chronographing these two powders, I somehow felt that Swiss would be much faster using the same weight by volume, but that was not the case at all.

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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2016, 07:44:06 AM »
I find Swiss to be the best but most expensive.  I have probably shot more Goex in the past 36 years tan anything else. That being said I'm shooting KIK in my .58 now and it works really well.

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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2016, 08:14:14 AM »
I'm a Goex man myself, always have been, and always will be.  It's not so much that it may be a better powder,,, it's because Goex has always meant the supply & demand of the public and that speaks volumes to me. They have been loyal to me and therefore I will be loyal to them. And Goex has always been darn good black powder!

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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2016, 08:26:11 AM »
I didn't want to start any Blackpowder Feuds when I asked this :)
I appreciate everyone's input as to what and why
We ended up buying a pound of each so with the Goex I already have we should be able to do some side by sides and hopefully get a feel for it
We bought them at
Upper Missouri trading post in Crofton Nebraska
A very nice place with a good selection of black powder guns and acc
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2016, 10:50:50 AM »
I agree with Joe. Nothing against the other powders, none of which I  have shot. I will say to avoid Elephant powder, if you can, as it is dirty stuff.  Still,  it's better than nothing.  ?
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2016, 02:08:21 PM »
I'd like to add one more thought. Please,,, no matter which "real black powder" you like,,, please use "real black powder" as it helps to maintain the need for its manufacturing. We all win when we use the real stuff.  :shake
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2016, 03:01:56 PM »
Quote from: "Lonewolfe20"
I didn't want to start any Blackpowder Feuds when I asked this :santa

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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2016, 04:09:43 PM »
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My personal like is KIK 2F
Where are you getting that from these days?
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2016, 04:16:33 PM »
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One thing is for sure, neither Swiss, or Goex have any fleas on either one of them.
I've always "heard" that Swiss is a tad more powerful and a tad cleaner...?
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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2016, 10:07:18 PM »
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My personal like is KIK 2F
Where are you getting that from these days?

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Re: Which is better Swiss Goex or Schuetzen powder
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2016, 10:47:31 PM »
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My personal like is KIK 2F
Where are you getting that from these days?

Powder Inc.
Thanks.
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