CVA Youth Hunter

[Swamppanther]

I was just searching around for stuff on smoothbores and somehow got into articles on CVA recalls. I have checked all my CVA guns for the
type/serial listed but on other models they don't mention. Its kinda scary as I got my son a CVA Youth Hunter in .50. Its a sidelock.
Nice little rifle. I liked it so well got myself one also. I was thinking passing them down to grandkids and hopefully great grandkids. After
reading some of the articles -   http://randywakeman.com/DangerousMuzzleloadersAHistory.htm - for example - I was thinking of using stocks
for firewood and barrels for tiedowns next hurricane scare. Any thoughts?

[Ohio Joe]

I was just searching around for stuff on smoothbores and somehow got into articles on CVA recalls. I have checked all my CVA guns for the
type/serial listed but on other models they don't mention. Its kinda scary as I got my son a CVA Youth Hunter in .50. Its a sidelock.
Nice little rifle. I liked it so well got myself one also. I was thinking passing them down to grandkids and hopefully great grandkids. After
reading some of the articles -   http://randywakeman.com/DangerousMuzzleloadersAHistory.htm - for example - I was thinking of using stocks
for firewood and barrels for tiedowns next hurricane scare. Any thoughts?

WOW!!! I did not know this (or if I did - I had forgotten it)... Fortunately all CVA related barrels & kits I've used pre'date the dates mentioned in the article...

Having shortened several CVA barrels by cutting off the breech/bolster area and re'threading and adding a breech plug and drum / or vent,,, I took the opportunity to take apart a CVA bolster and pull the breech plug --- and in actuality (though that design can be a pain in the ass,,, to me I always thought it was a solid design (and as a side note the threads showed no signs of being of poor quality or installation... Then again, these barrels "pre dated" the trouble barrels & obviously the poor metal used...

I kind'a always wondered why CVA went belly up - they had seemed to have a good thing going with their Mountain Rifle and two piece stock Kentucky Rifle...

I would say that if any of the CVA barrels you have fall within the dates (time period) mentioned - I would not deem them safe to use, and simply would not use them at all, even if one "might" get away with using lite charges... It isn't worth rolling the dice and hoping for the best, not where safety is concerned...

Thanks for posting this. 

[Uncle Russ]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

[Ohio Joe]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

Russ, how did I miss this at the bottom;

Copyright 2010, 2014 by Randy Wakeman. All Rights Reserved.

I will add now to my comment above; "with this guy (Randy Wakeman) associated with this article" I would question much of it... I thought it odd they'd have a picture of an Inline that had blown up, when they're talking about what I presumed from the beginning of the article, traditional side lock muzzle loading rifles...

I stand by this comment I made above; 

I took the opportunity to take apart a CVA bolster and pull the breech plug --- and in actuality (though that design can be a pain in the ass,,, to me I always thought it was a solid design

[rollingb]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

It looks as though I'm a bit late,.... 'cause Uncle Russ has said it all before I even got the chance to share my opinion of Randy Wakeman! 

Thanks Uncle Russ,.... I couldn't have said it better. 

[Nessmuk]

I'm  a self-confessed muzzleloading  newbie (albeit  a well-read one) and I  figured out Randy FAKEman was a traditional  Muzzleloader  troll after reading 2 of his articles.

[BEAVERMAN]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

Well said Uncle Russ, now that being said, if it is factual, how is it that none of us have heard anything about this until now and why haven't other sources reported any problems with these rifles?

[dave951]

I'm not a fan of Mr. Wakeman and take anything from him with a 50lb bag of salt.

[Oldetexian]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

It looks as though I'm a bit late,.... 'cause Uncle Russ has said it all before I even got the chance to share my opinion of Randy Wakeman! 

Thanks Uncle Russ,.... I couldn't have said it better. 

I have come to appreciate the wit and the wisdom of Uncle Russ, and this quote is just a prime example why. He has shared some straight info, but has done it in a respectful manner and then allows everyone to make up their own mind. IMO that's the way it needs to be done...thanks Russ. I appreciate both your insight and your attitude!

[Ohio Joe]

SP.....unfortunately I can't offer much help or a solution for your situation. Howver, I will offer this;
Randy Wakeman is a very prolific, and often controversial writer in the world of Muzzleloading.
Back in the early days, many of his articles were debunked and labeled pure garbage by other writers of the time, and as such I don't hold a lot of stock in his writing.
He is likely the oldest / longest writing writer on condemnation of all things traditional!
He has 'intentionally ' blown up more Traditional guns than many of us will ever own in his efforts to prove that the in-lines of today are "somehow" safer than our old Traditional guns.
Personally, I would take his writings with a grain of salt, looking elsewhere for information regarding my own guns.
But that is just me!
You, and many others, may see things differently. That's the beauty of living in America. We have choices, and we have places to go to look for information concerning our health and safety.
Look around and ask questions before you decide to make a Tomato stake out of your guns.I

Respectfully, Russ...

It looks as though I'm a bit late,.... 'cause Uncle Russ has said it all before I even got the chance to share my opinion of Randy Wakeman! 

Thanks Uncle Russ,.... I couldn't have said it better. 

I have come to appreciate the wit and the wisdom of Uncle Russ, and this quote is just a prime example why. He has shared some straight info, but has done it in a respectful manner and then allows everyone to make up their own mind. IMO that's the way it needs to be done...thanks Russ. I appreciate both your insight and your attitude!

Ray, I agree with you completely. 

In all the years I've known Russ, I would say he is an absolute credit to his understanding and posts that he's made. Through his posts, I have learned much from Uncle Russ - he is a true treasure and credit to our preservation of traditional muzzle loading, and I've no doubt what-so-ever, a credit to any undertaking he is / or has been, involved with...