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Author Topic: latest peice "type D trade gun "  (Read 2548 times)

Offline Captchee

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latest peice "type D trade gun "
« on: September 14, 2008, 06:23:35 PM »
Well some time back I showed a stock of a  type D trade gun that I was working on .
The stock was an old  plank and one of the hardest I have seen .

Well today was the day for my customer to  pick it up . So we spent the day  sighting it in for him and then just throwing lead  .

 What a great after noon .

 Right from the get go she held a 2 inch group at 25 yards . Even at 50 she was  clover leafing  from the bench  so we did some off hand shooting .
 If anyone has or had any doubt about how well a smooth bore can group,  this should dispel it . Even at 75 yards  the group was still under 6 inches . while   fred has alot of exsperiance with muzzleloaders , this was his first flinlock . i would have to say he did very well

as promised , some photos of the finished peice









a shot of the wrist



 the new owner



 first 3 shots at 25 yards



 target shot off hand at 50 and 75 yards . 18 shots
 top 10 are at 50 yards . lower center as well as bottom flier is at 75




MAN!!! you just gotta love a smooth bore

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 06:39:19 PM »
OHHHH Allan , i have you main springs . ill bring them to yellow jacket

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 07:17:40 PM »
WOWWWWWW!  Beautiful
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 07:40:17 PM »
Beautiflu work! And a shooter to boot, very nice.

Can you give us more details on the gun..cal, lock, length of barrel etc. Now that I got the building bug I want to plan my next gun and since I don't have one I need a fowler.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 07:42:53 PM »
Mr Starks
That is one fine piece of shootin iron you built
and some real good shootin  :shake
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 07:44:53 PM »
Wow Capt...that's NICE!  One of these days you're gonna have to make me a beauty like that  :)  
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 07:57:28 PM »
thanks for the kind words fellas . it did come out  rather well , all things considered

.well the piece has a sorted story
 The stock was  bought for a song . 35 bucks . I believe it to be a piece of burl maple .
 The original owner has started  building it  and had   tried to do the barrel inlet , as well as RR channel but mucked it up . I think this was why it was  never finished
 as such i had to completely bed the barrel as it was impossable to re inlet it correctly .

 The stock didn’t really show this figure tell after I started shaping . When it did , I called and suggested maybe that it would be better placed on a  rifle .
 But the owner said no   and to keep going .
 
 The barrel is  O to R , in 62 cal  and 44 inches
 The  barrel , stock  and trigger was  were al purchased for less then 100.00 from  local trader who had  them for sale in his trade tent
 The lock is actually  a Jaeger made by Davis  
 The powder charge that  produced these groups was
70 grains of 2F
 A felt wad
A .600 round ball
1 over the shot card to hold it in place .
At no time today was a patched round ball used

We also shot a pattern of #6 shot at 25 yards . It grouped very well . But I dint get a photo of that

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 08:06:48 PM »
Nice looking gun, the details of the parts would be interesting, I am guessing it is a colonial made composit gun of sorts from the sepentine side plate ( Maple? stock, or is that a nice piece of cherry) possibly a Jaegar lock? this type of gun is very under represented, there were lots of files, breeching tools and gun parts sent to New France in the 18th century so someone was building Frenchy guns or repairing them for NDN's or French colonists, How many D parts did you use on the gun, tg and buttplate? the finish looks real sharp what method /material did you use, all and all I suspect yuou have one happy customer wih that one, nice job....

Guess I missed the above post that answered my questions once again nice looking gun ,Cap

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2008, 08:13:35 PM »
I forgot , the stock on this is stained  with  Tandy leather dye
 Pro Dye  #22055-06 Cordovan
 Then had 4 coats of toung oil to finish

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 08:26:26 PM »
well the Trigger guard TG is a casting i did from a Tulle guard available through  ToW
 the butt plate is a Tow plate  that they sell for a Type D fusil  .
 the entry thimble i also made .
 side plate is a casting i also did  from an old  early style  serpent side plate .

 the story on the build of this , was that  the customer wanted a smooth bore trade gun. he came up with the stock and barrel , then brought it to me .
 but IMO the  blank was probable cut with the intent of making  something along the lines of a Lancaster  but  inlet for a smooth bore  O to R barrel .

after some discussion ,  I advised that I could possible  do something along the lines of an Board of ordnance piece  or with some work get a reasonable resemblance of a type D

 One of the things that cant be seen in the photos is the muzzle of the barrel is flared.
 Whom ever made the barrel never cut  the tooling  flair off .. The customer decided that he liked the look so I left it
 Yes the lock is a Jeager lock
 Myself I cheated a little  and the lines follow a type G more in the wrist then a D .
 But basically IMO if a person was to build a BoO  gun ,  this would be very close with its mix of parts and its shape, though thats just my humble oppenion  and has no real base past that

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2008, 09:10:54 PM »
sorry i missed the part in the finish TG .
 the finish is toung oil .  i used leather dye for stain on this peice.

 the stock was taken down with files and scrapers  and then Boned .
 the Tg and side plate are srface mounted , not inlet .
 the wrist is not round but brough dow to ovel , with the sides being the widest part if the wrist .
 i would have like to been able to bring the tang screw up from the TG but  it wasnt possable .

 normaly i would have also finished the lock serface . however the customer requested that it be left in the beaded  factory finish  so thats how i left it

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2008, 10:04:03 PM »
Very nice indeed.  :)
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 10:12:59 PM »
In a word....AWESOME.....or WOW.....

Very nice indeed

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2008, 10:19:45 PM »
Looking good Charlie!
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2008, 10:22:55 PM »
A beautiful one of a kind fowler.  The owner looks mighty serious about his new gun.
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