Can you identify this smoothbore?

[Stormrider51]

I picked up a very nice English fowler and would like to get as much information about it as possible.  I'm especially interested in who made the barrel.  Here's what I know.  The stock is walnut.  The lock is a L&R Queen Anne.  The barrel is .62 cal20 gauge, 42" and transitions from octagon to octagon with the corners rounded to round.  There are two wedding bands 3 1/2" apart.  On the left upper flat just in front of the breech is a crown over the letters KJ.  Of course, I don't know if that is the barrel maker or maker of the gun.  I'll post photos of other features.

Thanks,
John

[Stormrider51]

And a couple more.

[TallTexan]

Whomever made this one needs to make me one just like it with another 2 inches of lop in the stock.  :-)

[Stormrider51]

That's partly why I'm asking for help in identifying it, TT.

Storm

[TallTexan]

That's partly why I'm asking for help in identifying it, TT.

Storm

Let's hope we can find him. That's about the perfect brownish red stain too. As soon as I'm able to drive again, you're getting a visit so I can see this one for myself.

[Stormrider51]

Or, as soon as you can get sprung from that hospital I'll come bust you out for a day.  I probably shouldn't say this but the LOP isn't the 13 1/2" the seller claimed.  It's actually 14 1/2".  Still a bit too short for you but....

[Feltwad]

This is not an English Fowler but a hybrid , the skill of the builder would have done a better job if he had stuck to a copy of an original English Fowler  .It looks to me that he build it pesonnally to suit himself.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door

[Stormrider51]

Thanks, FW but that's not the information I'm looking for.  I personally don't care if it is an exact replica of an English fowler or not.  Many fowlers made in this country were "hybrids" and the design evolved just as the early German Jaegers evolved into the longrifle.  

Storm

[TallTexan]

Or, as soon as you can get sprung from that hospital I'll come bust you out for a day.  I probably shouldn't say this but the LOP isn't the 13 1/2" the seller claimed.  It's actually 14 1/2".  Still a bit too short for you but....

You mean I missed out by a quarter of an inch?!?

[Stormrider51]

TT-- When the gun got here I shouldered it and thought it felt longer than the 13 1/2" LOP the seller stated.  It fit me well so I didn't worry about it.  Only when I decided to seek help as to the maker did I get out the tape measure.  I'm still hoping the Crown over KJ on the barrel will click with someone.  I thought I had identified it as a TOW kit.  They offer an English fowler that is very close to mine but things like the trigger guard finial are different.  Maybe someone will come up with a name yet.

Storm

[TallTexan]

Take it out and enjoy shooting it. I enjoy reading about the results almost as much as I'd enjoy being there myself.

[Feltwad]

Thanks, FW but that's not the information I'm looking for.  I personally don't care if it is an exact replica of an English fowler or not.  Many fowlers made in this country were "hybrids" and the design evolved just as the early German Jaegers evolved into the longrifle.  

Storm

Question   Why call it an English Fowler when it does not represent a English Fowler
Feltwad
A Flint  Lock will not secure a chicken house door

[Feltwad]

A stand of English plus a Frenchsxs fowler

[Feltwad]

A close up of above

[Stormrider51]

Storm[/quote]
Question   Why call it an English Fowler when it does not represent a English Fowler
Feltwad
A Flint  Lock will not secure a chicken house door[/quote]

Well, the seller called it an English fowler and I didn't question it.  Track of the Wolf offers a kit that may well be what my gun started as.  Their kit even has the same thumb piece.  They call it an English Fowling Gun.  As I've said before, I'm a shooter, not a historian.  I leave it up to folks like Mario to set me straight.  I'm sorry if it somehow offends you that I called my gun an English fowler although I'm not sure why it should.  

Storm