Good info from John. I decided I wasn't going to waste a lot of black powder at our woods walks. So I tried to find 2 loads for each of my rifles. One for woods walks, and one for deer hunting. When working on those 2 loads for my TC 54 Hawken, I discovered 65 grains was the first light load that seemed pretty accurate. Then I had to go up to 95 for the next accurate load. And if I decide to try the shingle with the 54, I'll use the 95 grain load. That's with FFG Goex, .015 TC dry patch, cut down to 1 1/8" dia. and LV patch lube. (Just saying).