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Offline Squire Robin

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« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2006, 05:06:26 AM »
Hi Chuck

I only have one kind of powder and that's TPPH, I use it in my rifles and shot guns, don't know what the granulation is, it's just TPPH  :Doh!

Not being able to shoot 'til next Sunday I've been playing with my calipers.

The foresight is .295" lower than the back, (measuring to bore center line) which works out to 47.2" of elevation at 100 yards. That would be perfect if the ball averaged 500 fps, but with 70 grains of black I think I'm getting nearer to 750 average, working from the sand splash in the video.

What do you reckon, 55gns or a low aiming mark?

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« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2006, 09:22:45 PM »
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I don't know what to reckon. I would start out by bench resting the rifle at 50yds. and see where she shoots and adjust from there. Then move out to 100yds. Where is that powder made do you know if they have a web site? I do know a man  here in pa. that is an expert on black powder and maybe he can tell us something about that powder.
Keep up the great work.
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« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2006, 07:10:50 AM »
Quote from: "chuckpa"
Where is that powder made do you know if they have a web site? I do know a man  here in pa. that is an expert on black powder and maybe he can tell us something about that powder.

I think it's made by Nobel, as in Dynamite. I also think the PH in TPPH stands for Proof House.

OTOH I could be completely wrong. I do have the box it came in but that's at the other house, I'm in the process of moving.

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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2006, 09:17:22 PM »
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I have been away for awhile I will try to locate Mr. Knight tomorrow when I stop at the muzzleloading gun store. Please keep all of us informed about your shooting with the original Baker. If i can be of any service to you please call on me.
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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2006, 09:25:54 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2006, 06:52:58 AM »
Not a good start, thought I'd start a baker blog to chart my progress, or lack of it :oops:

http://www.robinhewitt.net/blog/
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« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2006, 12:03:49 PM »
Quote from: "Squire Robin"
Not a good start, thought I'd start a baker blog to chart my progress, or lack of it :oops:

http://www.robinhewitt.net/blog/

Interesting Blog read.  Something you might want to consider.  I use TC No. 13 to clean with and have found that Moose Milk also does a credible job.  I put the breach in a small can (#303) half full of solution and use the cleaning jag and patch to pump the solution up and down the barrel and through he touch hole.  The I use a 20 ga. bore brush to get into the grooves and a breach brush to clean the face of the breach.  Then it is a matter of running dry patches down the bore until it is dry.  The trick for me seams to be running dry patches down the bore afterwords until there is absolutely no moisture at all.  With my cleaning jag I can force two cleaning patches at a time down the bore and really get into the grooves.   I then use Borebutter liberally inside and out to protect the bore.  So far no rust just shine.  

As for humid weather, my flinters work fine in it for the most part.  I have a .36 cal squirrel gun with a patten breach that hates it because the channel fro the breach to the false breach is extremely small (just about the same size as a QTip shaft) condensation there prevents the powder from getting into the breach and hence firing.  As for the rest of the condensation, I've found that wiping the pan with a rag just before loading works very well.  

I'm wondering just how much powder you're priming with.  Also what it is the diameter of your touch hole?  Remember that filling the pan will result in the flash having to "fuse" into the touch hole and that takes time.

As for sights, 200 yds?  :lol:  :lol:


Best of luck and keep up the blog, I'll be reading.
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« Reply #82 on: August 17, 2006, 09:52:05 PM »
Squire
I have you blog marked as one of my favorites. What a great idea for sharing with us. Thanks again
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« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2009, 10:01:19 PM »
I hope people don't mind me resurrecting an interesting old thread.  Has anyone had any experience with these Bakers?  Are these Indian Bakers?

http://www.militaryheritage.com/baker.htm

I didn't seem to see them mentioned.


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« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2009, 11:40:59 PM »
Not at all bluelake.  As for the rifles you posted the link to, they are made in India.  Puffer has one that he had refitted with a barrel from Ed Rayl so does Chuckpa.  Puffer's came from Military Heritage.

The rifle that Squire Robin shoots is an original.  Mine is a reproduction.

If you are interested in a Baker made in india I'd suggest either

http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/MBR.shtml
or
http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/bakerifle.html

Military Heritage has a developed a really bad reputation for slow and unresponsive customer service.  Middlesex takes what they get and from the factory and reworks them to make sure they are usable.  Not sure about Loyalist.

Regardless of where you get one of these you should be aware that because of weapons laws they are made smooth barrels and some one like Ed has to replace the smooth barrel with one that is rifled.  He can make it with just about any rifling twist you want from the original 1:120 inches to 1:66 (which by the way is the twist mine has)  I got the faster twist because the maker told me that he experimented with the original twist and just couldn't get it to perform at the level of accuracy we expect today.  However, I've since met another gun maker who has made one with the original twist and it does quiet well.  I'm now considering getting a new barrel for mine with the proper twist.
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« Reply #85 on: April 02, 2009, 12:05:27 AM »
Thanks, Sir Michael.  It kind of sounded like the Indian Bakers talked about on here.  The base price is certainly reasonable; about how much does a barrel change cost?  What is a common turnaround time?  It might be something I have to wait to get, but it's certainly something I've dreamed about having.  


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« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2009, 12:19:55 AM »
Just did a search of the forum and found a reference to $240 including fitting it to the stock, installing the sights, and the sword bar.  I think it also includes sighting it in for 50 or 100yds but I'm not sure about that part.

If you're interested search the forum for "indian baker" there are number of old discussions about them.
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« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2009, 12:20:29 AM »
Quote from: "bluelake"
Thanks, Sir Michael.  It kind of sounded like the Indian Bakers talked about on here.  The base price is certainly reasonable; about how much does a barrel change cost?  What is a common turnaround time?  It might be something I have to wait to get, but it's certainly something I've dreamed about having.  


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« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2009, 12:34:04 AM »
Hey Puff, the rumors of your demise have been greatly exaggerated.  Call me tomorrow.
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« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2009, 01:12:07 AM »
Thanks, guys! :toast
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