Hawken

[Groundhog]

... buzzin round a gun shop the other day ... cryin over payin 15 bucksa pound for 3 f Goex ... Heard me a rumor ... gossip mind ya.
Heard me that THOMPSON CENTER is going to discontinue the Hawken rifle ... well we recently discussed the outrageous price of it... so why not price it right off the shelf.
   I hate to see any traditional firearm go away ...
step in the wrong direction ...
lol

[TomG]

TCs are very expensive.
Even the used ones at gunbroker.com are expensive.

[Ohio Joe]

It would come as no surprise if TC did discontinue the Hawken.  There's just too much modern line of thought within that company since the buy out by S&W...

It would be a shame to see this happen.

[Groundhog]

Well way I figure ... price of used ones will now go up even higher.
Supply n demand ...

[BEAVERMAN]

Well way I figure ... price of used ones will now go up even higher.
Supply n demand ...

 Thats one of the problems, not much demand and plenty and I mean plenty of supply of used ones floating around, heck most of us with hand built guns either by ourselves or a builder started with either a TC or CVA, how many of you still have em sitting in the closet or the vault? ya shoot em anymore? will come a time when you'll need to thin out the vault for another new baby, which rifle will leave for a new home?, go to any pawn shop out here or voos or gun show and theres t/c's and cvas' everywhere for sale anywhere from 125 to 400, depends on whos selling it and if there in their right mind of course, now try to find a decent renegade for hunting at a fair price, go ahead I dare ya!  Until we can get the states to  make the ML seasons back to what they were intended to be for sidelocks and make them ugly line front stuffer wanna be things go away, guess what there gonna build? cuz thats what everyone on TV uses! thats what selling-gotta be better than a flinchlock! Ok Im getting off my soapbox now

[Gambia]

When you consider the price of some of the imported factory guns,Lymans Pederosoli,the products of the smaller USA custom and semi custom suppliers are looking better all the time.Throw in the replacement parts availability and price I think you are a whole lot better off with a USA made gun with good American components. .As Cap points out you will have to do some work yourself,but as the ad says priceless when you are done

[Spotted Bull]

I heard a rumor from my baby brother that Louisiana has passed a measure that a 45-70 is a primitive weapon and most of the guys he hunts with that used front stuffers are going to sell them for that 45-70.

[greyhunter]

Saw a new TC Hawken in Gander Mtn last week.  The sorriest piece of junk I have ever seen! Cheap, plain wood, with little grain, metal to wood fit absolutely absent. I have owned 4, TC hawkens over the years, and they all were excellant construction. Just bought another old one in flint, no comparision to one in Gander. They may as well wrap it up if they are going to build them like that!  If you have an old one, hang on to it as an example of a fine American rifle.  For the near 600 clams they want for a new one you can be well on your way to a crafted rifle from  a TMA builder.  My old TC's have never let me down, making meat or punchin paper.

[Ohio Joe]

I just thought of this.  Those plastic wanna-be's will probably sky rocket in price since their stock's are petroleum based, as is their poly sabots they claim is so good.

Fact is;  

1.  If these modern inlines were any good at all, a person wouldn't need one that had the same feel as their .30-06 or .270, and so forth.  

2.  They wouldn't  need a specialized type bullet to be accurate in the inliner's eyes.   Accuracy for a modern Inline seems to be a 12" group at 100 yards apparently???  At least that's all I've ever seen anyone shoot with one when the person(s) using them can actually hit the paper more then once out of three shots.  Heck, they can't even out shoot an unsighted smoothbore musket.

3.  They wouldn't need a scope if they were any good for accuracy.

4.  They wouldn't need a scope and smokeless powder if they were any good for accuracy.

5.  They wouldn't need tons of advertising if they were any good for accuracy as they'd speak for themself through performance.  Which is non-existant!

Bottom line;  Modern inline muzzleloading rifles are pure BS...  Manufactures would be better advised to stick with what works and have been proven to work for well over hundreds of years when it comes to muzzleloaders.  The good ol' traditional style muzzleloading rifle shooting the good ol' traditional round ball.

Hopefully Lyman won't fold up with their Great Plains Rifle.

I'm sure it's to late for TC.

[Groundhog]

Plastic Suques

[butterchurn]

Track of the Wolf is Selling Goex for over $17.00 a pound!

[Groundhog]

Found annuddr place ta get it ... 11.50lb
for 3 f Goex ... just about the same drive/mileage.
   Powder n gas going up

[Kirrmeister]

So if you want to have traditional production guns look at Investarm (Lyman) and Traditions. They make good quality rifles, especially the Investarm (Lyman) GPR is a great rifle.

Regards

Kirrmeister

[Spotted Bull]

I shoot a Pedersoli Kentucky flinter and thought, well they don't make them plastic handled thangs......till I checked the website and now they have a "modern black powder division".....very disappointing

[windwalker_au]

I shoot a Pedersoli Kentucky flinter and thought, well they don't make them plastic handled thangs......till I checked the website and now they have a "modern black powder division".....very disappointing

so does lyman now have a modern black powder rifle.
bernie