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Author Topic: Baker Rifle  (Read 32448 times)

Offline chuckpa

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« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2009, 09:32:20 PM »
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Chuck,

How does you Baker fit?  The drop on Puffer's is less than what Jess put on mine and that makes his a bear to shoot.  It's hard to get a good sight picture with your cheek bone pressed hard against the comb.

My Baker really fits me. I do use a modern stance when shooting the Baker as compared to shooting a PA long Rifle. I do not make a spot weld with my thumb and cheek as I was trained to do in the service but I hold my head as far back on the stock as I can. I am about Puffers size and weight, 6' 180 lbs. I hope that helps.
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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2009, 10:04:38 PM »
I too would be interested in hearing of your progress with you Baker, Robin.  As I recall, yours is an East India Pattern Baker..  Does it have rifling of 1:120?

I am going for a shoot on Friday or Monday and will do my best to stretch things out to 200m.  I have a steel plate of about 45" high by 24" wide that should make for a perfect 200m target....What a great sound too! Camera will be in hand for sure!  Here are a few older ones...



Baker shooters seem to be quite a rare breed and its always interesting to hear from everybody here.  Shoot lots and take pictures, eh?...Thanks fellas.

Rob

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« Reply #122 on: June 03, 2009, 02:34:05 AM »
Has anyone here shot the Baker with the included smoothbore barrel?  I'm just wondering how it performs "out of the box".
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« Reply #123 on: June 03, 2009, 06:22:52 AM »
Great pictures Robert, let us know how you make out this weekend.
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« Reply #124 on: June 03, 2009, 09:57:37 PM »
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Has anyone here shot the Baker with the included smoothbore barrel?  I'm just wondering how it performs "out of the box".


Anybody?
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« Reply #125 on: June 04, 2009, 01:39:43 AM »
Nope, I sent mine, after initial inspection, in the same box, different address, to Ed Rayl the next day.......  the one that came with it looked like a piece of plumbing....I understand that the ones that come from Loyalist and Middlesex are much better.....

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« Reply #126 on: June 04, 2009, 10:07:11 AM »
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Nope, I sent mine, after initial inspection, in the same box, different address, to Ed Rayl the next day.......  the one that came with it looked like a piece of plumbing....I understand that the ones that come from Loyalist and Middlesex are much better.....

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« Reply #127 on: June 04, 2009, 06:02:57 PM »
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I too would be interested in hearing of your progress with you Baker, Robin.  As I recall, yours is an East India Pattern Baker..  Does it have rifling of 1:120?

Hi Rob

I've been distracted playing with an American military flint rifle, possibly made in the same year as my Baker. Not so pretty, but the sights are set to 100 yards and the 16 micro grooves actually put the ball exactly where I want it to go. This is quite refreshing after the Baker  :lol

The Baker has an EIC lion on the stock and a military inspection stamp on the lock. The rifling is round about 1:120, Baker defines it as "quarter turn" and that is what it is.

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« Reply #128 on: June 05, 2009, 10:36:14 PM »
What were you grouping with your Baker in the end, Robin?  Was it frustration that led you to stop experimenting?  Did you try other,  non historical patching remedies not contained in your blog?

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Rob

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« Reply #129 on: June 09, 2009, 07:18:29 AM »
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Was it frustration that led you to stop experimenting?

Not really, I just moved on to other things. Still my favorite rifle, still shoot it, just don't write about it, nothing new to tell.
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« Reply #130 on: June 11, 2009, 02:19:18 AM »
Well I got out today and burnt some powder....

Started off with a warm up at 100m.  I decided to try the 90gr load with a fibre wad lubed with shortening to see if it affected things at all.  I was hoping for it not to as with the wad the barrel has next to no fouling and the tight ball/patch combo slides down ever so smoothly....  



I decided to shoot 10 rounds to get a really good impression of where the rifle was shooting.  I then shot another 10 rounds with just the patch.



Things seemed to tighten up ever so much but the jury is still out I say.  After a quick wipe of the bore (after 20 rounds) with a wet cleaning patch and then dry, I tapped the sights over a wee bit and shot a 5 round group for confirmation...

 

Things moved over just the right amount!  Now, my rear sight is still high, resulting in the high grouping and I wanted to leave it high for the shoot at 200 to see if the rounds would drop the difference.  So, back I went to 200m and set up.  The flint was exhibiting some stubborn characteristics by this time and wasn't knapping very well with the resultant crappy sparks.....  Just as I started in at 200 I was hit with a rash of misfires and hang fires, all of which frustrated me and led me to bin that one for new one.....  As you might expect, the ignition that I'm accustomed to came back and the shooting improved.  I started with the same sight picture as at 100m to see if it would drop some 8 or so inches (of course, I was expecting it to)  Well, they were all WAY low....  I had to then figure out what kind of sight picture to use.  I ended up with a sort of "full sight with base" type picture with the foresight post completely visible above the rear sight notch.  That brought the rounds up enough though not perfectly.....



The initial rounds (with the bad flint, hang fires and misfires AND a bore that should have been wiped....) all hit below the target using the 100m sight picture and were rather wildly spread out...  After wiping the bore and changing the flint I shot the remaining rounds with much more confidence that they were going where I expected them to go.  Incidentally, the measurement from the far left to right is some 26" and the majority (to the right of the tape) lie within 12" of each other......  



The lock after a work out....And me (thats the target at 200m behind me!)



A great day and whats more there is still a lot of shooting left to do to get this 200 thing nailed down!

Cheers,
Rob

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« Reply #131 on: June 12, 2009, 12:41:48 AM »
Wonderful photos!

DOes anyone know what Bakers they used in filming the Sharpes Rifles series.  I mean where did they get them?
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« Reply #132 on: June 12, 2009, 04:52:00 AM »
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Wonderful photos!

DOes anyone know what Bakers they used in filming the Sharpes Rifles series.  I mean where did they get them?

Evidently they are the same Indian-made Bakers several people here have.  At least two or three companies carry them, such as Military Heritage and Middlesex Trading Village.  There are several mentions about them earlier in this thread.
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« Reply #133 on: June 12, 2009, 01:46:04 PM »
I had a chance to see Sir Michael's Baker Rifle at the TMA shoot last weekend. WOW!!!  What an awesome rifle!

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« Reply #134 on: June 12, 2009, 04:19:12 PM »
"The same Indian made Bakers...," well they may be all made in India, but not necessarily from the same maker or parts manufacturer.  I was told that the Sharpe's Rifles Bakers came from the Discriminating General, and I don't think that Middlesex Village gets theirs from the same maker as DG.  I have been told that Loyalist Arms gets their stuff from a different parts maker than DG.

Also reference the smooth barrels, some of them were reported as arriving with crimped, not threaded, breech plugs, from one distributor.  They were not sold for conversion to firing, although one could easily have an American made barrel installed and get a good working rifle.  

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